Look this is going to get snippy so let me conclude with this. I have been running 8051's with 128k of code space and 32k of ram and have been writing in straight assembly and have chemical analyzers that have been certified for pharmaceutical, Industrial, and Petro Chemical use. And my customers expect them to read there mind just like I think my development tools should. If cost were an issue I would be using a pic or a Z80 the 8051 is bullet proof and that’s why we use them. I never expected MP-Driveway to generate all my code I just want to check out all the available code generating tools and your right no company In there right mind would write any thing for us because we are all a bunch of slack jawed ass wipes so you can take your KIEL's and shove them up your ass and while your at it please kick my ass of this loser site.