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07/14/06 17:30
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#120264 - I don\'t like it either!
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik said:
How to do it, described with an example:
you have some equipment that is in two enclosures some distance away. In enclosure1 you connect signal ground to earth, in enclosure2 you connect signal ground through the cable and enclosure1 to earth and connect enclosure2 to earth at its location. Connecting signal ground to earth there directly or via a ferrite will only make matters worse.

Ok, because then a typical ground loop is formed, right?
In such a case the concept of soft grounding should be used, where no direct DC connection exists, but where the signal ground and enclosure are connected via a cap. This cap can be paralleled by a transzorb to prevent the develop of dangerous potentials and by a high ohmic resistance to allow a discharge of cap, when it can become charged somehow, by ESD or else.

The idea is to have no low ohmic connection for the mains frequencies which would otherwise create hum in the loop, but on the other hand to have the enclosure still working as a shield for the circuitry inside. Because of this the cap is urgently needed!

(We should briefly mention, that there are situations, where the signal ground MUST be connected to earthed enclosure even if this will cause hum loops, for instance when a safety class I transformer is used!)

Connecting signal ground and enclosure via a ferrite would just do the opposite: Creating a hum loop again and preventing the enclosure from working as a shield for the electronics inside. What a shitty alternative to the soft grounding scheme.

Erik said:
Just writing all this I realize there is ONE condition where 7. above might apply"
use a ferrite to connect signal ground and enclosure ground if the circuit is going to blow, burn or be a shock hazard if it loses earth.

Yes, as a SAFETY path for eventual dangerous potentials. But not as the standard procedure, how to connect signal ground to enclosure.

Althoug it can be read in many tutorials, connecting the signal ground to enclosure via a ferrite is so wrong for me, I can't express! It stands in contradiction to everything I ever learned. To me this sounds: Let's cure a mistake by doing a second, in the hope that the two mistakes will cancel somehow...

Kai

List of 31 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
ESD Questions            01/01/70 00:00      
   Discharge model            01/01/70 00:00      
      150pF, +-15kV, 150Ohm            01/01/70 00:00      
         hmm            01/01/70 00:00      
   ESD            01/01/70 00:00      
   many ways and ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      more info            01/01/70 00:00      
         Is it a secret ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            using the F041            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks!            01/01/70 00:00      
         What means \"quiet\" here...            01/01/70 00:00      
            thanks again            01/01/70 00:00      
   did you miss the FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
      immunity levels            01/01/70 00:00      
      Do you like point 7, Erik??            01/01/70 00:00      
         I've only got 5 fingers            01/01/70 00:00      
   point 7 of the FAQ you mentioned            01/01/70 00:00      
      absolutely not, just the wire doing the job provid            01/01/70 00:00      
         I don\'t like it either!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Corrected, please read again            01/01/70 00:00      
            I would not do that            01/01/70 00:00      
               No connection, no shielding!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  with the enclosure connected to 'protection ground            01/01/70 00:00      
                     ???            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Ok, try this way            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I cannot believe that!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        language, I hope            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Come on, Erik, please...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I'm no expert, but            01/01/70 00:00      
   Have fun, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      

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