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10/17/05 16:36
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#102492 - Yes, but...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Errik said:
a quote (I do not remember which datasheet/user guide): " TAL2 may be used to drive one CMOS load"

Yes, if this load is sitting next to the XTAL2-pin. But keep in mind how the current is actually flowing: Not only into the additional CMOS load pin, but also into this chip, through it, to the GND pin of this additional CMOS chip, and finally back to the ground of decoupling capacitor of main micro. This can form an enormous loop, even if the additional CMOS chip pin is sitting next to the main micro. Now, let be some noise on the ground plane, or let even the user omit any ground plane, then signal integrity is heavily eroded and the level of XTAL2-signal becomes rather unpredictable. Also, remember, that this XTAL2-pin isn't a regular digital output, but there's also some current limiting impedance to limit crystal drive level. You might run a regular digital output signal (50 Ohmm source impedance) across the board but not a typical XTAL2-signal.
So, running this XTAL2-signal across the board is always dangerous, whether there's a theoretical capability to drive an additional CMOS load or not. And it cannot be recommended at all to use the XTAL2-signal as "general purpose" signal.

By the way, measuring correct signal level at XTAL2-pin is an art, due to the same reasons as above. Standard osci probe contributes a complex load to Pierce-oscillator which is always a mess, because oscillation performance is so heavily interfered, that level measurment makes no sense at all. Only by the help of sophisticated and expensive FET-probes showing ultra low stray capacitance and stray inductance you can get an idea of this XTAL2-signal. Not more, only an idea...

Kai

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AT89S8253: another couple of problems            01/01/70 00:00      
   Not designed to drive additional loads            01/01/70 00:00      
      a quote            01/01/70 00:00      
         The Facts of the real world.            01/01/70 00:00      
            who said "buy from digikey"            01/01/70 00:00      
            Think about it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Indeed I did, but please quote all I sai            01/01/70 00:00      
               Sorry..            01/01/70 00:00      
                  no offense, just wanted to make clear            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I don't want to attak            01/01/70 00:00      
                        not you Fausto            01/01/70 00:00      
         What do you make, Erik?            01/01/70 00:00      
            a lot of questions, a lot of answers            01/01/70 00:00      
               why            01/01/70 00:00      
               Guaranteed parameters            01/01/70 00:00      
                  There are, indeed, such references. Howe            01/01/70 00:00      
                     So TF2 problem is a hardware bug            01/01/70 00:00      
                        absolutely            01/01/70 00:00      
            one (bad) try and a suggestion            01/01/70 00:00      
               Re: one (bad) try and a suggestion            01/01/70 00:00      
   Newbie question...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Central clock versus decentral clocks            01/01/70 00:00      
         I would never use multiple non-synchroni            01/01/70 00:00      
      already suggested            01/01/70 00:00      
   Latest news on bugs in 8253            01/01/70 00:00      

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