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05/08/07 18:42
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#138852 - Probably nothing...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I once reverese-powered a 74HC14 by a 1A 5V supply for about half an hour and - nothting happened! The thingy became extremely hot but worked properly afterwards.

How can this be??

In reverse direction, means from GND to Vcc the whole die looks like a large pn-junction. So, when being driven in reverse direction a large current will flow along this "pn-junction" and will cause a voltage drop of about 0.7V, depending on actual current, of course. So, if the current is coming from a 7805 and this current is limited to about 1.4A, then about 0.7V x 1.4A = 1W will heat up the die. That is much, but not necessarily too much to immediately destroy the chip.

Why?
The DIP package shows a heat resistance of 80K/W between junction and ambient, which means, that the die will be brought on a temperature of about 100°C, when the ambient is at about 20°C. But 100°C die temperature is well below the maximum die temperature of 150°C for a plastic package.

Also, many applications are powered by 5V supplies, which can only deliver currents way below the short circuit current of 1.4V. Not only because they eventually contain a weaker regulator like the 78M05 (500mA type) or even 78L05, but also because the 7805 can only deliver this high current, when being suffiently heat-sinked and when being fed by a strong enough transformer.

So, I guess, it's not unusual to see such a chip surviving this procedure, at least for a brief period.

But make no mistake: Having survived this torture does not mean that the chip is as intact as a new one. In any case, this chip must be replaced by a new one, because you never know, whether the chip has get any pre-damage!!!

Kai

List of 23 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
what happen if ??            01/01/70 00:00      
   you will fry the chip usually            01/01/70 00:00      
      and            01/01/70 00:00      
   The chip will be destroyed.            01/01/70 00:00      
      this question should not be asked            01/01/70 00:00      
   a note: "the danger of DIL"            01/01/70 00:00      
   if it's a windowed EPROM...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Probably nothing...            01/01/70 00:00      
      junction and ambient            01/01/70 00:00      
         The worst example of backwards power            01/01/70 00:00      
            Off-topic, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Two ships passing in the night            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yep            01/01/70 00:00      
                     John's Pizza            01/01/70 00:00      
                     small town and small world            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Excellent            01/01/70 00:00      
            Rocket Scientists do it too ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
            Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
               Junction            01/01/70 00:00      
   Try it, we will also come to know wha will happen.            01/01/70 00:00      
      no, we wont            01/01/70 00:00      
   LM78L05 !            01/01/70 00:00      

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