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02/28/08 13:40
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#151592 - wrong place (in some instances)
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Life was simpler when I thought it was just a simple resistor pull-up. I just read the details in my Atmel datasheet and see the issue.
for 'classical' derivatives "the bible" is a much better resource. Now, beware, many moderm derivatives have multiple modes for the ports (I recall none where the defsult is not "classical") susch as push-pull, input (as you describe below for the PIC), analog, open collector/drain, .....

I had been working with Microchip products that give a true high impedance input so you can do things like directly connect to the powerline via several Megaohms; it is taking me a while to get a handle on the 8051 features.
Today, more or less, if there is a 'feature' you do not like, there will be a derivative where that 'feature' can be modified to your liking. If you look at e.g. the SILabs deviates (f3x-up) you will find the, for all practical purposes, everything except the instruction set is totally different from the 'classical' '51..

Erik

here are the links to "the bible"
Chapter 1 - 80C51 Family Architecture:
http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_d...ARCH_1.pdf

Chapter 2 - 80C51 Family Programmer’s Guide and Instruction Set:
http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_d...UIDE_1.pdf

Chapter 3 - 80C51 Family Hardware Description:
http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_d...WARE_1.pdf



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   100k is way too large            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yup            01/01/70 00:00      
      ports1-3 vs. port0            01/01/70 00:00      
      a small correction            01/01/70 00:00      
   Page 4 datasheet says            01/01/70 00:00      
      Calculating the maximum resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
         Calculating the ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   80uA is not a maximum specification            01/01/70 00:00      
      re:resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
   Resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
      I would not            01/01/70 00:00      
         Resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
            Resistor ... again ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      basic troubleshooting first            01/01/70 00:00      
         the sensor and its application            01/01/70 00:00      
            Oh, max frequency is ~4kHz :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
         Please ignore the "basic troubleshooting"            01/01/70 00:00      
         pray tell why            01/01/70 00:00      
            Capacitance problems ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   You have totally misunderstood the situation            01/01/70 00:00      
      thank you Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
         maybe it is            01/01/70 00:00      
            Link in original post            01/01/70 00:00      
            datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
         Being paranoid is a good attitude...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Paranoia medicine            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, perfect, i also thought about this...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  the "industrial strength" 485 transciever            01/01/70 00:00      
                     But they gaurantee this            01/01/70 00:00      
      But the micro port shouldn't be driving anything            01/01/70 00:00      
         Missing the boat.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Waving at the boat.....            01/01/70 00:00      
               wrong place (in some instances)            01/01/70 00:00      
            More about the P3.5 pull-up issue            01/01/70 00:00      
               one simple way            01/01/70 00:00      
               AT89S8252            01/01/70 00:00      
         Please read this...            01/01/70 00:00      
   ABS & Safety            01/01/70 00:00      
      safety concerns            01/01/70 00:00      

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