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05/27/08 19:00
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#155174 - A good and complete simulator would be very useful
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Keil's 'C' doesn't have one, which is probably the reason Erik doesn't like simulators. The one they offer is sort-of useable, at least with some MCU's, but doesn't provide several key features and, some of them have, in the past, in fact, been misleading.

Until JTAG and ICE's support echoing to the console in real time, and provide people with the ability to read and type at the execution speed of the MCU, those won't be the "be-all and end-all" either.

However, it is, with all the various different clock rates, etc, vital that the simulator generate information about precise timing details, long-term trace, and file-based scheduled simulation of external inputs, so that detailed information about such things as interrupt response at different points in the code execution sequence can be extracted by simulation. While this is additional work for the programmer, it provides information not available using JTAG or ICE's.

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TopicAuthorDate
Free pascal compiler for 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   Impressive!            01/01/70 00:00      
      PDF            01/01/70 00:00      
         Compatible            01/01/70 00:00      
            Open source ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               3rd?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  KSC            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I dropped the case...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                        one problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                           IC$            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I could 'manage' without as well            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Why can't we just stick to the point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Give us a break, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Give us a break, Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                           many of the ICEs...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              if so ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Soon outnumber 'C'            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Debugging time            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I wholehardely agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                        not alone            01/01/70 00:00      
                        A good and complete simulator would be very useful            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I have yet to see any simulator, that            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Beware: self-defeating argument approaching...!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 you can't            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RE: A good and complete simulator            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Sad, but true            01/01/70 00:00      
   This is a wonderful effort ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      time for Turbo51            01/01/70 00:00      
         TURBO51            01/01/70 00:00      
            make that 4            01/01/70 00:00      
               inc(PascalUsers)            01/01/70 00:00      
   Cross platform            01/01/70 00:00      

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