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05/28/08 05:16
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#155201 - Give us a break, Erik!
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik Malund said:
Pascal may be the 7th wonder of the world, but what does that help when no source based ICE/JTAG ... is available.

What??? your ICE doesn't work on the ASM output from your compilers? I thought you'd debug the object code? That source-level debugging is no more than a primitive simulator.

Research states that you will spend more time debugging than writing code, so what good does it do to have a better(?) way to code when it makes for a worse way to debug. [/quote]
If your high-level code doesn't compile and run perfectly the first time, perhaps you should go back to using ASM. HLL's are justifiable for BIG programs of a half-million lines or so, but for small, less than 100K-line (don't count the comments!) code, ASM is a better and more appropriate tool. Besides, if you write it in ASM it will probably be quite a bit smaller and faster.

Erik

PS PLEASE do not reply with some bullshit about a simulator, a simulator is the most worthless tool in anybodys toolchest for any bug that is not 'static'


Just because you don't know how to use 'em to advantage, doesn't mean they're not useful. Just ask the guys at JPL!

RE


List of 33 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Free pascal compiler for 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   Impressive!            01/01/70 00:00      
      PDF            01/01/70 00:00      
         Compatible            01/01/70 00:00      
            Open source ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               3rd?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  KSC            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I dropped the case...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                        one problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                           IC$            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I could 'manage' without as well            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Why can't we just stick to the point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Give us a break, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Give us a break, Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                           many of the ICEs...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              if so ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Soon outnumber 'C'            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Debugging time            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I wholehardely agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                        not alone            01/01/70 00:00      
                        A good and complete simulator would be very useful            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I have yet to see any simulator, that            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Beware: self-defeating argument approaching...!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 you can't            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RE: A good and complete simulator            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Sad, but true            01/01/70 00:00      
   This is a wonderful effort ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      time for Turbo51            01/01/70 00:00      
         TURBO51            01/01/70 00:00      
            make that 4            01/01/70 00:00      
               inc(PascalUsers)            01/01/70 00:00      
   Cross platform            01/01/70 00:00      

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