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05/28/08 13:02
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#155218 - Give us a break, Richard
Responding to: ???'s previous message
dear Anachronism:

HLL's are justifiable for BIG programs of a half-million lines or so, but for small, less than 100K-line (don't count the comments!) code, ASM is a better and more appropriate tool.
you jump on bringing in debugging as 'unrelated' and then you include another 'unrelated' issue HLL/asm where your statement as usual is based on how things were ages ago.

What??? your ICE doesn't work on the ASM output from your compilers? I thought you'd debug the object code? That source-level debugging is no more than a primitive simulator
It is very clear that you as usual base your judgement of modern things on experiences from ages ago. There is nothong 'primitive' about source level debugging.

Just because you don't know how to use 'em to advantage, doesn't mean they're not useful. Just ask the guys at JPL!
I wish you would read before you reply, My statement was "a simulator is worthless for this type of bugs". I have no idea how you can read that as "they're not useful"

Erik

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Free pascal compiler for 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   Impressive!            01/01/70 00:00      
      PDF            01/01/70 00:00      
         Compatible            01/01/70 00:00      
            Open source ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               3rd?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  KSC            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I dropped the case...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                        one problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                           IC$            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I could 'manage' without as well            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Why can't we just stick to the point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Give us a break, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Give us a break, Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                           many of the ICEs...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              if so ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Soon outnumber 'C'            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Debugging time            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I wholehardely agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                        not alone            01/01/70 00:00      
                        A good and complete simulator would be very useful            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I have yet to see any simulator, that            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Beware: self-defeating argument approaching...!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 you can't            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RE: A good and complete simulator            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Sad, but true            01/01/70 00:00      
   This is a wonderful effort ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      time for Turbo51            01/01/70 00:00      
         TURBO51            01/01/70 00:00      
            make that 4            01/01/70 00:00      
               inc(PascalUsers)            01/01/70 00:00      
   Cross platform            01/01/70 00:00      

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