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02/27/10 08:42
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#173618 - Accelerator "by-wire"
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I said:
One of our cars has the accelerator ("gas pedal?") not physically connected to the engine at all - it's "drive-by-wire" to that extent ...I wonder if the affected Toyotas also have that?

It appears that they do - and that the problem is not with the electronics, but with the extra mechanism introduced to make the pedal "feel right":

Toyota said:
Toyota has pinpointed the issue that could, on rare occasions, cause accelerator pedals in recalled vehicles to stick in a partially open position. The issue involves a friction device in the pedal designed to provide the proper "feel" by adding resistance and making the pedal steady and stable. The device includes a shoe that rubs against an adjoining surface during normal pedal operation. Due to the materials used, wear and environmental conditions, these surfaces may, over time, begin to stick and release instead of operating smoothly. In some cases, friction could increase to a point that the pedal is slow to return to the idle position or, in rare cases, the pedal sticks, leaving the throttle partially open.

http://www.toyota.co.uk/pedal-recall/index.html


I said:
I wonder if that makes it any more or less likely to get stuck...?

Clearly it does - any added "mechanism" gives extra opportunities for failure

I don't find Toyota's "reassurance" about the fix very reassuring:
Toyota said:
Toyota's solution for current owners is both effective and simple ... The company has confirmed the effectiveness of the newly reinforced pedals through rigorous testing on pedal assemblies that had previously shown some tendency to stick.

Why would I beleive that the "rigorous testing" of the fix is any better than the testing that was, hopefully, applied to the original design in the first place?!

This sounds to me very much like a "band-aid" fix to the symptoms, rather than a solution to the underlying problem...?



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Car cruise Control            01/01/70 00:00      
   Cruise            01/01/70 00:00      
   I wouldn't            01/01/70 00:00      
      I agree...            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's a common homework problem for hardware guys ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            maybe not homework            01/01/70 00:00      
               it's part of several HDL short-courses            01/01/70 00:00      
      Toyota            01/01/70 00:00      
         years of experience            01/01/70 00:00      
            more likely            01/01/70 00:00      
               maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
   at embeeds.com            01/01/70 00:00      
      Doesn't make it any safer!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Terrifying experience            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: kill the ignition            01/01/70 00:00      
               Steering lock            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Steering lock            01/01/70 00:00      
                     about those runaways ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I think I heard about that.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Audi            01/01/70 00:00      
                        the clue            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I didn't own a TV in that part of the '80's ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              sell Toyota            01/01/70 00:00      
                     not locked until the key is removed            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Column Lock            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I've been in a lot of cars ... many rentals ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Opposite            01/01/70 00:00      
                              just to be clear            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Armchair pundits            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No, that's not what I meant            01/01/70 00:00      
                           4-position ignition switch            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It is on mine!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Safety issue            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's just a cost issue.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          power steering and power brakes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Good things steering and brakes aren't "by wire".            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                RE: "by wire"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Accelerator "by-wire"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Failure Modes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Not really            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Brakes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                power braking doesn't stop immediately            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Not all            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Opposite            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       why a safety issue?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Obviously            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             quote under discussion            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                The point is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Where is the fail-safe?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      That is one of Tyotas fixes            01/01/70 00:00      
            new brakes            01/01/70 00:00      
            Neutral            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Neutral            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I don't have one.            01/01/70 00:00      
      now imagine ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   What kind of car ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      past information about the OP            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh NO NO NO..I do not want to get into this...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Oh, he would            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not so sure            01/01/70 00:00      
   A Cross Pigeon            01/01/70 00:00      

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