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02/19/05 02:35
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#87933 - Intelligent machine?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Prahlad said:
Most of these controllers [ miyachi ] are installed by the end user themselves and there is no caliberate.. function or any other simillar function accessible to user.

Perhaps an intelligent machine? Starting with a fix table and then adding correction data, after measuring actual current they had with fix table data?

y=ax2+bx+c where y=welding current and x=firing angle.

For predicting firing my 8051 can use the above format equation. How about this idea?

Will it work or not?

Hmm, such parabola fits can be dangerous: If two calibration points are too close to each other and they deviate only slightly from ideal curve, parabola methode tries to compensate this by a heavy square term. Then, all the three points will go through the parabola somehow, but curve looks totally wrong.

This effect is the more relevant the higher terms are used. I had an example, where fifth order polynom approximation was used. But customer didn't follow the instructions of manual and set certain calibration points too close to each other. As his calibration was rather 'noisy', he ended up with a totally bizarre calibration curve, full of spiky mountains and deep ravines.

Antoher trap is rounding errors of calculation of coefficients. There are certain situations, where higher precision is needed than expected, otherwise the coefficients can look very strange. So, calculation of coefficients can be troublesome.

In many applications the good old piecewise point to point linear approximation methode gives best results.

In your situation I would first try to improve the table entries. Check, whether the deviations are from mains distortion or voltage dips. If everything is checked out, then your table will very probably compensate all machine typical effects. Then you should try the whole stuff at a total different location, maybe a factory of friends, where you can check your machine again. Then, there should not develop further deviations.

Kai

List of 29 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
WEOT: Predicting thyristor firing angles            01/01/70 00:00      
   well..            01/01/70 00:00      
      Re: Well.            01/01/70 00:00      
         most likely            01/01/70 00:00      
   Graphs            01/01/70 00:00      
   Distortion of mains            01/01/70 00:00      
      Re: Distortion of mains            01/01/70 00:00      
         Only a guess...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Re: Only a guess.            01/01/70 00:00      
               Intelligent machine?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Re: Intelligent Machine.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Some averaging is needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Re: Averaging.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           More Details New Method.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Could work, but have some averaging            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Precision Resistance welding?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Re: Precision Resistance welding?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Precision resistance welding            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    sounds like an app for multiprocessing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Re: Multiprocessing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          multitasking/multiprocessing            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Re: Averaging.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Better Control            01/01/70 00:00      
            Re: Better Control.            01/01/70 00:00      
               Control System            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Difference in calculation & Actual Param            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Re:Diffrence in calculation and actual            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Single Cycle Welding            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RE: Differece In Cal & actual Parameters            01/01/70 00:00      

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