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#100289 - one problem with this is that you have n
Responding to: ???'s previous message
If i have DOS software i can reverse engineer how the
hardware is driven and build my own hardware.

which may have different transistors and thus give different results.
one problem with this is that you have no means of finding out if the cells are fully programmed by your kitchen table programmer.

I have been informed that one of the reasons that manufacturers do not release parallel programming info any more is that many kitchen table programmers did not fully charge the flash cells. This led to chips that "tested" (I hate the reliance so many put on that) beautifully but after a short while lost bits of the program. Of course the kitchen table programmer users came down on the manufacturers "my tested chip is failing" totally ignoring the fact that the fault was incomplete (dis)charge of the flash.

So, go ahead, reverse engineer and make your kitchen table programmer, I wish you luck, but DO NOT come back and whine when your "tested" chips loose the program after a year or two because of something you "overlooked".

Erik


List of 28 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Programming 89C5131 via hardware            01/01/70 00:00      
   the chip manufacturers have become wise            01/01/70 00:00      
      Programming 89C5131 via hardware (2)            01/01/70 00:00      
         just one question            01/01/70 00:00      
            Programming 89C5131 via hardware (3)            01/01/70 00:00      
               one problem with this is that you have n            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Atmel contact            01/01/70 00:00      
                     here we go again            01/01/70 00:00      
                        self-timing            01/01/70 00:00      
                           FLIP issue (modern technologies)            01/01/70 00:00      
                              lifetime            01/01/70 00:00      
                              transparent erasure            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 to: Jan Waclawek            01/01/70 00:00      
                              You've go to be kidding            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 self-timing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    can you give me a reference to the fact            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       other way round            01/01/70 00:00      
         Contact Atmel            01/01/70 00:00      
      Bootloader bootloader            01/01/70 00:00      
         no way            01/01/70 00:00      
         Re: bootloader bootloader            01/01/70 00:00      
   Sounds like fun. Count me in.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Programming 89C5131 via hardware (2)            01/01/70 00:00      
   user bootloader?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Re: user bootloader?            01/01/70 00:00      
         what wrong?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not, that old urban legend again            01/01/70 00:00      
               Atmel contact            01/01/70 00:00      

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