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12/07/07 02:00
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#147956 - Tube tester vs Universal programmer
Responding to: ???'s previous message
LOL ...

This discussion is EXACTLY like the one we had on a universal vacuum tube tester.

The original idea was to create a device that sniffs the inserted tube, measures the filament resistance, measures the socket capacitances and thus by a 90% certainty quesses correctly which tube is that one sitting in the socket.

The cruel reality was that tube capacitances vary a LOT and the filament resistance tells nothing about the filament drive voltage as it varies with the cathode temperature. Also, the needed power supply would be incredibly hard to design as the amperage on filament may vary from some milliamperes to 10..20 amperes. And at the same time the needed voltages on filament may vary from 1 to 150 volts. Not to talk about the anode voltage which easily exceeds 500 volts or even 5000 volts on exiter power tubes. The impedances on grids are typically measured in Giga ohms which is out of reach of most semiconductors.

So after almost beating the horse to death we came to a conclusion that the best test for a tube was to put it on use and then see that the voltages and currents were in specs. This of course assuming that the rest of the circuitry was healthy.

In the early days there was tube testers around. Those were so expensive that one had to consider whether he needs a new car or this state-of-the-art tester. One was not able to use one without the supplied manual because of all the tiggle-toggle switches and for new tubes an adaptor costed a small fortune.

ISP is a nice thing and I would never use parallel programmer for my "kitchen sink" projects. However, if I have to program 1000 of those, then it is an entirely different story and equipment.

But ... how about a portable, universal ISP (ICP) programmer ?

List of 35 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Universal programmer            01/01/70 00:00      
   with lots of circuitry            01/01/70 00:00      
   Programble hardware            01/01/70 00:00      
      possibly, but what good would that do you ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, but not a the required voltages and currents            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yep FPGA is involved            01/01/70 00:00      
   Recently discussed...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Falling at the first hurdle            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE:Falling at the first hurdle            01/01/70 00:00      
         communication            01/01/70 00:00      
         If you need to ask the question...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oops - replied to wrong message.            01/01/70 00:00      
   This isn't so ... It's true only at the "low-end".            01/01/70 00:00      
      is the new algorithms on the web?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Well, I got them indirectly from the www            01/01/70 00:00      
   pipedreams            01/01/70 00:00      
   Tube tester vs Universal programmer            01/01/70 00:00      
      that's totally crazy            01/01/70 00:00      
         Atmel ICSP or..            01/01/70 00:00      
            one more - these pop up every darn time            01/01/70 00:00      
               Universaly Blocked            01/01/70 00:00      
                  trying new things out?.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Think a bit Deeper            01/01/70 00:00      
                        staying on the subject            01/01/70 00:00      
         some words about semantics            01/01/70 00:00      
            what is a "KANDA cable"            01/01/70 00:00      
               KANDA cable is            01/01/70 00:00      
   Does it intended...            01/01/70 00:00      
      consider the device's role            01/01/70 00:00      
      what a surprise            01/01/70 00:00      
   bravo for ISP            01/01/70 00:00      
   You have to narrow the scope            01/01/70 00:00      
      Conclusions            01/01/70 00:00      
         just adding to the complexity            01/01/70 00:00      
         it looked as though he wants a production tool            01/01/70 00:00      

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