First of all Mr. Karas, Im not stupid to electronics i have been experimenting with electronics for many years. I became intangled with microcontrollers a year or two ago. makeing a Pcb is not something i am good at. If you will make reference to my previos posts i originaly wanted to use a breadboard you know being a simple minded fellow in KAI's eyes. I was told this was a no no. well okay then next logical step ask for help in this forum. OK I get informed it is real easy to do a PCB board well okay now were moving. I meet KAI who says would greatful to help out. I show him the schematic i have and he says it is imcomplete. Okay next logical step for me is to refer to the book from which the circuit came from. By the way it is the "Microcontroller Idea Book" which contained some extra schematics. Which i thought would be what kai was talking about to complete the schematic. well i made this information available to everyone in the forum but kai seemed to think i wanted to hog his thoughts on the matter. which is false do you think if that was so i would be talking to him in a forum DUH!. I tried my darndest to share with him the information i had and get his thoughts. what i got in return was him questioning my intelegence and my finances. And as far as small steps why do think im talking in a forum. my small step if you will is help with a PCB board. You are right you do learn lessons through experience. And i have learned that most of the time the people who know it and are asked for input typicaly are "PRICKS".

thank you,

Paul

p.s. I do know how to write. Try haveing a bad day and then be insulted. There is more to communication than just words. words can mean different things in another persons interpretation. Part of communication is how words are understood. I understood his tone to be that of agressive and execuse for being human i responded with anger.