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03/22/05 21:17
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#90269 - Certainly not a liability!
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Ian Bell said:
Donald Catto said:
Have you forgotten about the standard 'C' library?

No I hadn't. IMHO it is more of a liability than an asset in 8051 embedded systems. I reckon 95% or more of the functions have no relevance to embedded systems and the remainder soon find their way into your own assembly language function library.

YMMV.

Ian

Even if you do not like or do not use most of the C standard library, that does not render it a liability. A good compiler, Keil among them, will only link in the functions that you actually call from your code; you do not pay for what you do not use. So, even if only 5% of the library appeals to you, it is an asset. Secondly, there are alternate implementations of a number of standard library functions for various derivatives; these varied implementations leverage the special features found in the derivatives they target. For example, Keil has a special version of memcmp() that benefits from the way dual data pointers are implemented in the DS89C4x0 for a performance benefit. While your own library of assembly functions might very well include something with the functionality of memcmp(), it probably does not include derivative-specific optimzations for the vast majority of devices on the market. I am quite content to leave the duties of writing things like this to the compiler makers, and enjoy knowing that when I invoke memcmp() from a properly built project, I have a good chance of executing a bug-free, nicely optimized version of it.

--Sasha Jevtic

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      optimize Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
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            Have we been taken over            01/01/70 00:00      
               Thanks for great suggestion!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  SDCC without headaches...            01/01/70 00:00      
   student??            01/01/70 00:00      
      cost?            01/01/70 00:00      
      SDCC            01/01/70 00:00      
   C51 Primer            01/01/70 00:00      
   If you need to be optimum - don't use C            01/01/70 00:00      
      Search; Manual            01/01/70 00:00      
   does not jive            01/01/70 00:00      
   glue code            01/01/70 00:00      
   Post it if...            01/01/70 00:00      
   C limitations            01/01/70 00:00      
      Kind of is a problem            01/01/70 00:00      
         Poor old 'C'            01/01/70 00:00      
            I disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
               Let's talk about goto...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  file-scope globals            01/01/70 00:00      
            Asm vs C            01/01/70 00:00      
               absolutotally beautiful            01/01/70 00:00      
               Asm vs C            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Old Chestnuts            01/01/70 00:00      
                     perfectly valid for a one man project            01/01/70 00:00      
                        many men            01/01/70 00:00      
                        re my above post            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Known to every 'C' programmer            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Asset or Liability?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Standard library a liability?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              C Library            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 ASM library            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Libraries            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Or not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Stuff            01/01/70 00:00      
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                              Graphical design & code-generation            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                    a small correction            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Apples vs Apple Trees?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    OT labview            01/01/70 00:00      
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               Becoming effective with embedded C            01/01/70 00:00      
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         Software Engineering            01/01/70 00:00      
            Agree, with caveat            01/01/70 00:00      
               One project, One file            01/01/70 00:00      
                  One project, One file - metalink            01/01/70 00:00      
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                  One file development            01/01/70 00:00      
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