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02/20/07 16:02
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#133334 - Arcing machine
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Andy said:
Remember, a relay coil is a great big solenoid; an inductor - so switching it on and off causes big spikes on the supply

This can often be read, but isn't really true. Connecting a really big inductor to a supply voltage results in a current which is increasing very slowly! Let R be the ohmic resistance of the coil and L be its inductance, then the current rises exponentially at a time constant of L/R.

The same when the inductor is suddenly switched-off from the supply. Due to the Lenz's rule a voltage is induced to keep the former current flowing. If the switch is opened an arc is generated, which just "eats" this extra voltage. Nevertheless the current smoothes down again following this time constant.

When turning-on or -off an inductive load, no current spikes are the result! Just the opposite, smooth rises and falls.

The only thing that could suffer at all is the switching element, which has to withstand the induced voltage during the turn-off, unless a free wheeling diode, or another snubber element is installed.

With mains voltage situation looks different, though: When an inductive load is switched to mains at the wrong moment a huge current can flow.

What Hendryawan did is to design an arcing machine, which causes lots of readiated EMI: During the contact bouncing nasty bursts are generated...

Kai

List of 51 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
How its happen?            01/01/70 00:00      
   correction            01/01/70 00:00      
   my 2 cents            01/01/70 00:00      
   What is exactly RLY fuction?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Effect of relay            01/01/70 00:00      
         Isn't it called EMI?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Sure - radiated and conducted            01/01/70 00:00      
               Ok, thought so :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Maybe it's a test?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Not very kind to operator :)            01/01/70 00:00      
         A diode helps.            01/01/70 00:00      
            But immunity is best!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Arcing machine            01/01/70 00:00      
            RF oscillations            01/01/70 00:00      
               School experiment            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ok, we posted in the same minute :)            01/01/70 00:00      
      This time it was Andy and AGAIN same time :)            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'll build in some random delay next time :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
   the solution will be here            01/01/70 00:00      
   I'm puzzled            01/01/70 00:00      
      It damps out the relay voltage spikes?            01/01/70 00:00      
         not much, if any - 33pF?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Should be a printing error.            01/01/70 00:00      
   let's focus            01/01/70 00:00      
      Of course it is possible.            01/01/70 00:00      
      why focus            01/01/70 00:00      
         because......            01/01/70 00:00      
            Part more susceptable to EMI?            01/01/70 00:00      
            'experiment' all you want            01/01/70 00:00      
            prevent problems            01/01/70 00:00      
      where did we not focus?            01/01/70 00:00      
         conclusion            01/01/70 00:00      
            You are a funny guy...            01/01/70 00:00      
               chips is different            01/01/70 00:00      
                  already answered            01/01/70 00:00      
                  That's the definition of "Unreliable"!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  pure unadulterated male cow manure            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The Relay            01/01/70 00:00      
                        The purpose of a Watchdog            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Woof            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Grrr            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Watchdog Hit Report            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Some hints...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The decoupling Cap            01/01/70 00:00      
                        With shortest leads to Vcc and GND pins            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What software,Kai?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Target            01/01/70 00:00      
                           yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thankyou Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
   isn't it obvious?            01/01/70 00:00      
      No you missed that it is the coil...            01/01/70 00:00      

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