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09/04/07 15:11
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#143992 - yes, but is it really worth the money?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Out of curiosity, I browsed at the Acqura site.

It still says, Philips. Are these guys aware that we have 2007 now?

OK, time for features list. The list is impressive - I don't understand about half of the items, it usually indicates that it's either very good or related to something which I never came across (that I am stupid enough is well known). The supported devices list is impressive, but, waitaminute, no P89LPC9408 on it...

Oh, the pricetag is not the lowest, $599, and then maybe a few extra bucks for accessories, but they give a nice overview of the competition - according to that table, they give a nice value for the money.

Just out of curiosity I am downloading the software. Whopping 5.something MB, what would you expect nowadays. But they zipped it up to spare 40kB... of course it is unzippable as it is a result from an installer packager which already zipped it up... OK the installation was really smooth.

OK I am the asm guy, so let's try to load some hex from the 8052.com quizes and challenges. The software decides for you which files will he load ("sources"), although it's well documented in the help, it won't say a single word in the program window or status line (like "I did not found the .LST I expected" or "hint: go through several clicks to the options and chose which tool you are going to use so that I can then do the automatic stuff".) I hate programs which decide for me. OK but let's just try, here I have the Metalink assembler (why Metalink? It's their competition, isn't it? why not asem? Or, better, both?). Hex loaded, still no "source files" to choose from, nor any explanation of what happened. The help says something about $LIST directive (I am reluctant to read lengthy helps for a kickstart), so I reassembly, guess what happened... nothing... OK so let's just pretend it's a plain intelhex, reload, now go to the disassembly window aka code pane, guess what, I can't find any relationship between the displayed garbage and the hexfile to be loaded...

Let's now try something else... Oh, but no SDCC support - anyway, a professional who has $599 for the tool should have the money for the good stuff compiler, isn't it?....

A am absolutely sure that such a professional tool does work as promised, so it must have somehow guessed that I am no going to spend $599 anyway and disabled me the free tools.

Anybody from the company listening here?

JW


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TopicAuthorDate
What are your favorite debugging tools?            01/01/70 00:00      
   The Brains            01/01/70 00:00      
      The brain is a valuable tool, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Hardware issues with LPC chips            01/01/70 00:00      
            but they do have self-rewriteable FLASH...            01/01/70 00:00      
               That isn't much of a help in debugging            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     CAUTION!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        trace in monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                           but how do you generate the interrupt?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              trace, limited resources            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 We're in different situations, I suppose.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    tracing and simple stepping...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       no good            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          this is where you lose me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             simple, you do not know it is there            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                we have been discussing this many times            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Ave you ever looked at a "bondout" version?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      for a plain static code breakpoint...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I do not know, and neither care, but they do!            01/01/70 00:00      
      %$#@! double-post ... sorry!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Selection of tools            01/01/70 00:00      
      Crash Barrier E5            01/01/70 00:00      
         LPT revisited            01/01/70 00:00      
            Dongle            01/01/70 00:00      
   printf()            01/01/70 00:00      
   my absolute favorite and an answer            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes, but is it really worth the money?            01/01/70 00:00      
         I know of no ICE that uses .lst files            01/01/70 00:00      
            now you know            01/01/70 00:00      
               try phrasing it differently            01/01/70 00:00      
   Will call Acqura            01/01/70 00:00      
      metalink            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, I have used it many times            01/01/70 00:00      
   an extra port pin and some serial out code            01/01/70 00:00      

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