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02/05/08 05:52
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#150342 - What does "works" mean?
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Erik Malund said:
You trumpet on about results, but say nothing about your observations, measurements, experimentation, or anything else you've done ... you provide lots of claims, but no details.

You utterly refuse to accept the fact, that when everybody has experienced that all flash losses goes away once you have a proper supervisor, that is proof.

Who's included in that "everybody"? Clearly I'm not, because I've had at least one occasion on which I've observed external bus activity both reading and writing to BBRAM during RESET asserted by a supervisor during the power-down transient. That's at least one case wherein it didn't work properly. They were just ad-hoc observations, however, and not part of a rigorous test setup. I'd bet that it's more than you, yourself, have done. Why did I use the external bus and BBRAM? Well, it's hard to attach 'scope and logic analyzer to the internals, particularly while running at full speed. The BBRAM is supposed to protect itself from runaway processors during power-down. That scheme didn't work so well either.

Erik

Enough said, this is my PROOF, if it is not enough for you then shut up and come back when you have 'proof' either way that satisfies you. It is getting tiresome that every time Jan, Kai, Grant, someone else or yours truly tell someone to use a supervisor we get this tirade from you. We know it works and that is enough proof for us.


As I said before, I didn't ask for proof, I asked for observations. Apparently you've made not a one. I suspect if you'd made any observations, and based your assessment on them, you'd have mentioned it by now.

Clearly your work has been based, at least in large part, on guesswork, which, by now, shouldn't surprise anyone. That's why you're so sensitive about this.

It not clear what you mean by "works." Is that 1 unit failure in 3 or in 10, or in 100, and in how many repetitions, and under what conditions?

Have you ever tested anything at all?

BTW, I wouldn't call my remarks a tirade, but, rather, an exhortation to practice sound engineering procedure and to base your conclusions on observation, experimentation, and measurement, and not on conjecture and random guesses.

RE





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TopicAuthorDate
C8051F340 Flash corruption problem            01/01/70 00:00      
   use an open collector supervisor ana a pullup            01/01/70 00:00      
   No problem on my end            01/01/70 00:00      
      Grant, can you confirm            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not at this time            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, it's a 4k7 pullup            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why do you believe it's going awry during powerup?            01/01/70 00:00      
      likelyhoods            01/01/70 00:00      
         This is funny!            01/01/70 00:00      
            statistical probability            01/01/70 00:00      
               So you conclude that the world is flat?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  who on earth in his right mind would do that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     someone who is curious about RESET.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        8051f12x/f13x            01/01/70 00:00      
                           It's not that simple ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I have a paid job            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Indeed you have            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    if 1 million people get sick ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It ain't necessarily so            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          3 things you did not respond to            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             that's not how it works            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                it his not 'details'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   What does "works" mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
   SiLabs view on this issue            01/01/70 00:00      
      re a point            01/01/70 00:00      
         I am reading some interesting discussion            01/01/70 00:00      
            AP, yes, Richard read that all say the same.            01/01/70 00:00      
            That means NO??            01/01/70 00:00      
               HUH?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Qazi Please provide some details            01/01/70 00:00      
   flash corruption or write failure            01/01/70 00:00      
      answer to quiz!            01/01/70 00:00      

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