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10/24/08 20:34
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 		 #159325 - Some cooments
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Tony Gelonese said:
c' is considered by most to be cryptic


I agree. For me C is a "write only" language.


Richard Ries said:
There are two things I find annoying.
The first is that the text on the site is the same for messages as advertisements. This makes it VERY hard to follow, and differentiate between what I want and the ads.

The second is that the documentation is not bundled together. Why should I spend my time opening information, and then copying it, and saving it to my computer? ESPECIALLY if I am not sure I want to use the software in the first place? I would suggest you bundle the docs in with the download. Use subfolders to group similar concepts together, if you must.

--Rich


Yes, I agree. I have decided to offer Turbo51 for free. Therefore I would like to have some compensation for this. And I have decided to sell advertising space on web pages. I agree that it is sometimes annoying, but remember: you get the compiler for FREE! This is never annoying, isn't it? I would like to hear your comments after you will have some experience with it.

Regarding the docs: I agree again. I will prepare a PDF document with complete documentation immediately after I will finish some urgent features I would like to implement like OMF object file import and various calling conventions (to use existing libraries written in "cryptic" C).

Thanks to everybody for comments.

At the end a brief explanation how I started to develop Turbo51. 10 years ago I purchased the KSC Pascal compiler. What a useless and buggy software with inefficient generated code that was! I sent them lots of emails complaining about bugs in generated code. Not a single answer from them! At that time I decided to write my own compiler. And here it is.

Igor

List of 70 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
C vs Pascal            01/01/70 00:00      
   A long time ago, in a Galaxy far, far away...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Choice ?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Chalk and Cheese            01/01/70 00:00      
      A bit too simplistic analysis            01/01/70 00:00      
         Bondage and discipline            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes, you can            01/01/70 00:00      
               ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Thinking hard about writing code is essential            01/01/70 00:00      
                  blame users, not tools            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Real Programmers            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It\'s back to planning and documentation again            01/01/70 00:00      
         readibility            01/01/70 00:00      
            I have and do            01/01/70 00:00      
               I fully agree            01/01/70 00:00      
               C *is* cryptic by design            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You say cryptic, I say terse            01/01/70 00:00      
                     and what is the purpose...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        terseness/ clatity            01/01/70 00:00      
                           any language depends on naming            01/01/70 00:00      
                              i do not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Why not, if appropriate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    one-char index isn't a problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                           never say never to have a multiline C construct            01/01/70 00:00      
                              multi-line conditional            01/01/70 00:00      
                  still just symbols            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No one says you have to use every short cut in C            01/01/70 00:00      
                     it's not the shortcuts...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        whatever it is            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Just a minute ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              C can thrill you            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Not the point            01/01/70 00:00      
            free choice            01/01/70 00:00      
               commercial?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  yes, commercial            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I did never question...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        choices are good            01/01/70 00:00      
                           yeah, yeah            01/01/70 00:00      
                              ADD 1 TO COBOL            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 On Languages            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    braces            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I like the literal BEGIN and END much better!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Perhaps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             That\'s not what I meant ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                There I disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   words vs symbols - maybe solution for Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Humans have to understand it, too            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Games are for kidz            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   headstart            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      still comparing grass straws            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         you said it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            but you did not get it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               good joke            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  yet more extrapolations/flame baits            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          BEGIN and END            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             No .. I probably should have listened to Mom ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Pascal            01/01/70 00:00      
      More than a language            01/01/70 00:00      
         some of this is language independent            01/01/70 00:00      
            I love standards            01/01/70 00:00      
               Igor recognizes this...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Answers applicable to Turbo51            01/01/70 00:00      
            don't call it IDE...            01/01/70 00:00      
               IDE vs editor            01/01/70 00:00      
                  DIY or gdb or?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     GDB?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     8051 IDE            01/01/70 00:00      
                        this one?            01/01/70 00:00      
   On T51            01/01/70 00:00      
      Some cooments            01/01/70 00:00      

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