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03/02/05 05:14
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#88840 - Ground noise
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Joseph said:
So, if you're worried about noise getting from your digital circuit into your analog circuit (or vice versa) then it is usually sufficient to simply not route the traces near each other. Splitting the plane(s) is usually overkill.

How much the ground return current in the ground plane will be 'concentrated' under the signal copper trace can be estimated by the 'coupling factor' of formed transmission line. According to philips' application note 'ESG89001' the coupling factor for a standard bi-layer PCB is about 0.6...0.9, where the coupling factor is the higher the wider the signal copper trace is.
A coupling factor of 0.6 means that about 40% of the signal return current will not run directly under the signal copper trace but will run freely over the PCB!
With mulitlayer PCB the coupling factor is about 0.9...0.97. So, less than 10% will finally run freely over the board.
This little estimation underlines how important it is to use a multilayer board, if very low noise levels are demanding. But even the mulitlayer board isn't perfect, if you compare the coupling factor with that of a RG-58 coax cable, which is 0.996.

Although this concentration mechanism for the ground return currents of high frequency signals is very impressive, there's no such mechanism for the voltage drop across ohmic impedance of ground plane. Means: If a high current is flowing across the ground plane between two arbitrary points, then the whole board is involved! So, while using an unsplitted ground plane for less noise sensitive analog signal conditioning might be acceptable, it might fail with high current applications.

Anyway with all this theory stuff: If you have a 16bit ADC application referring to 5V full scale, then the difference between two succeeding steps is 75µV (microvolt!). If you, dear Joseph, can guarantee me, that the ground potential difference between two arbitrary points on a board carrying fast digital chips will always be smaller than 100µV, then I will immediately stop using splitted ground planes. From this day on. Promised!

Kai

List of 29 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
WEOnT; Splitting Planes            01/01/70 00:00      
   Re: Splitting Planes            01/01/70 00:00      
      dont connect planes at more than once.            01/01/70 00:00      
         the artwork person            01/01/70 00:00      
            get rid of him            01/01/70 00:00      
               Some of us designers are guilty too            01/01/70 00:00      
                  treat others ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                     How is the rate calculated?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Rates            01/01/70 00:00      
                           optimisation            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Rational Incentive            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Options            01/01/70 00:00      
                        rate            01/01/70 00:00      
                           But            01/01/70 00:00      
            Artwork Person            01/01/70 00:00      
            True episode just remembered            01/01/70 00:00      
               Hillarious!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         connecting planes            01/01/70 00:00      
            Concept of local analog grounds            01/01/70 00:00      
               Re: Concept of local analog grounds            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes it is            01/01/70 00:00      
            How did you manage it?            01/01/70 00:00      
               re: ground management            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Astronomers ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     re: Astronomers ?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ground noise <100µV?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Freely?            01/01/70 00:00      
         resistance vs inductance            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ground return current will spread            01/01/70 00:00      

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