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05/11/06 17:27
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#116006 - More thought
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Kai Klaas said:
Ok, think about what happens if Mahmood decides not to connect the chassis to the battery. Then he must connect every modul, from the lowest current sensor application to the hihgest current stuff star point like to the ground terminal of battery. But when he must connect the moduls to each other, then every additional connection will form a ground loop. Or, he might want not to connect ground from module A to module B and to open the shield at one side of the cables? Finally he ends with a set-up, where hugh complex impedances of the whole ground routing will make his filtering efforts to become unpredictable or even to crash, where, if once an optimum routing and shielding scheme having found, everything turns bad again if he only wants to add one single additional modul. He can be lucky with this methode, but how much time will he need to find the optimum wiring scheme and how much copper he will need to bury into the car...

Thats all fine Dear Kai but I'm solving this problem by installing DC/DC converter in every module connected to my car (or TRUCK) lets say. This way I avoid all the gnd loops problems.
I will connect each isolated gnd to battery gnd by 100 kOhm resistor say to stop static building up between two gnds.

And as if this would not be enough, he has to deal with a modulated 400MHz application, which cries for the use of a reference plane and the use of shielded cables with the shield connected to GND at both sides!!! How shall he connect the modules without ending with complex impedances of the whole ground routing? How will he force the 400MHz application not to turn the whole car into a paradise for electromagnetic waves of all kind???
Kai

No thats another crazy communication project I'm working on and has nothing to do with gnd of vehicles. I just mentioned it here because it looks relevant to the subject.
I face many problems with it and very strange behaviours which are atracting my attention for exploration. I never thought ever I will be dealing with sigma - delta modulation and comb filters.
The wind keeps blowing in unpredictable directions all the times, so I have to be prepared.
I'm crazy and even love that song that says "isn't that craaaaazzzy"
I don't know the name of the lady who sings it or the name of the song. If anyone knows please tell me to get it.
Mahmood



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TopicAuthorDate
Ground noise question            01/01/70 00:00      
   Chassis ground            01/01/70 00:00      
      measure what?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Shielding            01/01/70 00:00      
   I think mutual ground will be better            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ground noise            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm with you.            01/01/70 00:00      
         the situation is like this            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try this            01/01/70 00:00      
               Disconnecting of battery while welding            01/01/70 00:00      
      Cures...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Shielding            01/01/70 00:00      
            Old tradition            01/01/70 00:00      
               New traditionalists            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What I want to tell...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Chassis connection makes sense            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not convineced!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Consultants ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            mmm            01/01/70 00:00      
         I don't know much about your application            01/01/70 00:00      
            I think this one has been missed            01/01/70 00:00      
               Differential, symmetrical...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Brilliant!            01/01/70 00:00      
               What about current loop?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Concept            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Injecting signal into gnd            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Insufficient common mode rejection.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Go differential            01/01/70 00:00      
                        That's why...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           in other words            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Split ground            01/01/70 00:00      
                           So, how do you maintain a "clean" GND?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              There's no golden rule!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 back to the future            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    make you happy!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       write a c code in keil 2 operate e timer            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Err ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             so sorry...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          what is Keil 2?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Trying SMS style?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                naah, just early morning, fingers stiff            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 More thought            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Crazy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes thank you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Eh??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Common mode noise of DC/DC-converters            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       why use isolated converters?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             air craft chassis            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Faraday cage ?            01/01/70 00:00      

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