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05/24/06 22:25
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#117059 - maybe you answered this one yourself
Responding to: ???'s previous message
ERIK,

IIRC, you once said that two circuits are not isolated from one another if they're powered from the same source. That's certainly true.

Now, It's been suggested that what he needs to do is to lower the input impedance of his inputs. That makes sense. Kai recommended adding some capacitance, which, of course, will reduce rise/fall times. All of this makes perfect sense. None of this should be difficult. If the interconnection between supply GND and circuit GND is made at the far (remote) end of the cable, then it probably should be made at both ends.

My personal preference, in cases like this, is to AC-couple GND and earth. I don't like direct paths from ESD-loaded fingers to my circuit GND. ESD isn't the issue here, but it could be that coupling between the AC motor supply and the circuit GND is affecting things. Lowering the impedance of his inputs will reduce susceptibility to coupled noise, but it won't help with the noise induced in the GND. Lowering the impedance of the GND back to the supply will help.

He said he had a "blown-out" '245. Those are, IIRC, pretty robust circuits and shouldn't fail from typical stresses. There must be something really major going on, and I don't think it's come to the surface yet.

Perhaps the resistance of the circuit-GND-to-supply-GND connection is a factor, but it will be nearly zero if it's connected at both ends of the cable, won't it?

RE


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TopicAuthorDate
High Tolerant Input Pins tvs, otpto,            01/01/70 00:00      
   Use a 'srial chip            01/01/70 00:00      
      But..            01/01/70 00:00      
         what's the problem?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Re: Serial Chip            01/01/70 00:00      
         better or not            01/01/70 00:00      
   Suggestion            01/01/70 00:00      
   Input            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why damaged?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Re: Why Damaged.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Another suggestion...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Schottky clamps ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Diode clamps            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Tranzorb            01/01/70 00:00      
      Try this...            01/01/70 00:00      
   ST overvoltage protection            01/01/70 00:00      
      A bad situation            01/01/70 00:00      
         Russell            01/01/70 00:00      
            My suggestion?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Look for PLC discrete input circuits            01/01/70 00:00      
      partially right            01/01/70 00:00      
         Even a PLC wouldn't like this circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
            OK, It's a switch - question to Scott            01/01/70 00:00      
               Speed of the input            01/01/70 00:00      
                  at lower detection rates ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What I recommended...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Steroids Desing            01/01/70 00:00      
      Analyse the circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
         to fully isolate            01/01/70 00:00      
            how about answering            01/01/70 00:00      
               That's obvious isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it's not that obvious            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's just ignorance            01/01/70 00:00      
                        opto couplers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           true enough!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Not so strange            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Not strange, perhaps, but WRONG!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's just ignorance            01/01/70 00:00      
                     maybe you answered this one yourself            01/01/70 00:00      
                        still waiting            01/01/70 00:00      
                           No, though that might help            01/01/70 00:00      
   is this a newfangled idea            01/01/70 00:00      
      Downunder circuitry            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why I use the opto            01/01/70 00:00      
      Perception vs reality            01/01/70 00:00      
      +5V supply, is it isolated?            01/01/70 00:00      
         already asked and asked again            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes, last try before I leave the thread!            01/01/70 00:00      
               The +5V is Isolated.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  incomplete answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, what about the grounds?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Scott, where are you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           he left when we asked questions            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Still lost and confused            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 you do not need a scope to answer the qu            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 We cannot help you, if you do not...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    COM and E-GND            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       still not answered            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          just a minute ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             SO let me rephrase: how many ohms betwee            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Getting Older            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   if you want help, start with some answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Problem is much more complex            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   what do you mean by "dying"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Scott, could you...            01/01/70 00:00      

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