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09/15/06 00:40
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#124334 - Not so simple...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Jan said:
...not only you are not guaranteed to get 5mA, you are not guaranteed to get >5V either!

RS232 drivers contain an output current limiter to protect the driver against overloads due to output short circuits. They work similar to the output current limiters in OPamps: When being active, they limit the output current like a constant current source. As consequence, they limit the output voltage then, even if enough supply voltage would be available to provide enough output voltage.

Assume that this circuit



is connected to one output of SN75196 driving the RTS signal of PC. Then, following potentials could be seen internally of SN75196:






So, the output current limit, means the short circuit current is what limits the usefulness of above circuit arround TL431. But take note, the output current limit does not depend on actual potential at output. Or by other words, you need not to force it to GND potential to achieve this maximum current!
In the above circuit it's sufficient to short circuit the output to nearly 5V potential to let the maximum current flow.

The circuit arround TL431 was and is used in RS232 temperature sensors, but only needing 2...3mA supply current. This current is in the range of nearly all RS232 ports of PCs. Whether this circuit also works for Satish, who needs about 5mA is questionable: Although todays RS232-drivers deliver about 10...25mA short circuit current typically, manufacturing tolerances within the current limiting circuit can result in a some smaller short circuit current.

Kai


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Getting Power from PC RS232?            01/01/70 00:00      
   maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
      USB?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Serial port power links            01/01/70 00:00      
      the most abused "design criteria"            01/01/70 00:00      
   This circuit usually works            01/01/70 00:00      
      Kai, you disappoint me            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not here to amuse you...            01/01/70 00:00      
            no amusement seen            01/01/70 00:00      
      More pin options            01/01/70 00:00      
         A couple of questions            01/01/70 00:00      
      just a note...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not so simple...            01/01/70 00:00      
            rs232 to rs485            01/01/70 00:00      
               Why not USB?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  usb?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     See reply to your duplicate post            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You need to specify better what you want.            01/01/70 00:00      
               you should have had a look            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You can, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it has to drive 5 volts into 100 ohms            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Various loads            01/01/70 00:00      
   serial mice have been doing this for years, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
      These schemes work despite deviations from standar            01/01/70 00:00      
         Pins 9 & 10 on DB25            01/01/70 00:00      
            For the record, RS 232 power is a bad idea.            01/01/70 00:00      
               commercial device powered by RS232            01/01/70 00:00      
                  definitions and opiunions            01/01/70 00:00      
   usb            01/01/70 00:00      
      More Info Required            01/01/70 00:00      
      standard "USB port" response            01/01/70 00:00      
         You really don't want to do that            01/01/70 00:00      
            USB only hurts the first time            01/01/70 00:00      
            COMx: vs USB            01/01/70 00:00      
               Acronyms            01/01/70 00:00      
                  silly game!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     More Silly Game, SMSers should like this.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        did you fo to the Bean Pot            01/01/70 00:00      
                           It's been around awhile            01/01/70 00:00      
               is that Arizona, Mars            01/01/70 00:00      
   usb?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I don't think so...            01/01/70 00:00      
         SiLabs            01/01/70 00:00      
      oy            01/01/70 00:00      
         Cost?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Budget            01/01/70 00:00      
               cost?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Cost!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     it has 2 slaves as well            01/01/70 00:00      

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