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10/13/06 20:04
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#126433 - this is good, some comments especially on "testing
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I have added some boldface
A simulation tells you that a given circuit might work. A prototype tells you that your particular implementation and construction of that circuit appears to work.

any board, however it is made, production board or prototype tells you nothing about any circuit other than the one immediately in front of you.
It tells you that the components
might work. It tells you that the configuration might work.

When events involve a few MHz, or even oe or two tens of MHz, a hand-built prototype, fabricated in the kitchen or basement, can behave quite well

here we differ. I doubt that the frequency is the problem, but rather think it is the rise and fall times of the signals. Of course, if you slow down to a crawl, the ringing may die down before it has done any harm.

and now for the old adage:
succesful testing does not prove that there are no bugs, it only ptove that there are no KNOWN bugs

examples of "succesful testing of defrective products":
Hardware: We have some purchased boards where some transistors typically fail after 5-7 years of service. When new they all "test" beautifully and without showing any signs of failure. Investigation has shown that these transistors are "driven to the hilt" (100mA base current to a SOT-23 rated at max 500mA pulsed at 1A) and, thus are stressed enough to make early failure likely; however they "test" beautifully when new.
Software: I had the opportunity to consult on a "perfectly working, fully tested" software that was running on many units. The reason for bringing me in was that "with 1000 boards running one of them (not the same every time) will lock up about once a month". This turned out to be due to "if interrupt b happens during interrupt a which happenrd while the main was executing lines x through y, the board locks.

Now, gentlemen, tell me how "testing" would have revealed either of the above.

Erik

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Circuit Testing Software.....            01/01/70 00:00      
   Mixed simulator            01/01/70 00:00      
   ATE - not simulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
      ATE System Design            01/01/70 00:00      
      National Instruments            01/01/70 00:00      
      It is Software            01/01/70 00:00      
         simulation versus real life            01/01/70 00:00      
            What will you recommend?            01/01/70 00:00      
               i recall my first mentor Howard Taylor saying            01/01/70 00:00      
                  In that case.........            01/01/70 00:00      
               Prototype?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes, absolutely            01/01/70 00:00      
                  careful now!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     this is good, some comments especially on "testing            01/01/70 00:00      
                        i am not the only one            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thanks Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
            Hoping I was not rude...........            01/01/70 00:00      
         there is such a tool            01/01/70 00:00      
         Some ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
            I dont use Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
               Needless to mention here            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Suggestion accepted            01/01/70 00:00      
         Need a full Proteus            01/01/70 00:00      
            So that justifies theft?            01/01/70 00:00      
            New category needed?            01/01/70 00:00      
               why not post "I want you to steal for me"            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I once attended a seminar ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   where can I get a free Cadillac?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well......            01/01/70 00:00      
         that well gives muddy water            01/01/70 00:00      
            sometimes it takes time...            01/01/70 00:00      
            I have not worded myself right            01/01/70 00:00      
         take note ... nowhere do they mention "testing"            01/01/70 00:00      
            The trouble with simulation            01/01/70 00:00      
   Nice Effort            01/01/70 00:00      
      first of all ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         ATE software            01/01/70 00:00      
            meanwhile, back in the real world...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I know of no testing that can prove that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Automation can help            01/01/70 00:00      
                     If NASA or some entity spend millions of dollars            01/01/70 00:00      
   programmer downloader            01/01/70 00:00      
      Off-topic?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Does he know the difference between try and test?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Something like this?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Boundary Scan?            01/01/70 00:00      
      A couple more companies; and articles            01/01/70 00:00      

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