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#129434 - Does he know the difference between try and test?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Here's one recurring abuse of language that needs to be standardized in some way. Often it seems that people refer to their "first-cut" trial of some code they whipped up on a napking while waiting for their soup as "testing." I've tried to point out the distinction, but it's still called "testing" in most cases.

What this person, Sathiya Kumar, has raised is another issue tangential to the subject of this thread, but an area that evades testing in the colloquial sense, namely, "How do I verify that my downloader works?"

In some respects, it's not off-topic at all, but rather, quite on. The O/P, Abhishek Bk, wasn't referring to what should really be termed "testing" at all. Abhishek Bk wants, apparently, a way to simulate his MCU behavior under control of a given code set, in a hardware environment not limited to the MCU. There are tools, though not "free" ones, that do this sort of thing. Because of the cost of developing precise models for a very wide range of components, these things tend to cost in the 6 to 7 figure range, so we don't see them used much. Erik has referred to NASA as a body that might use such things, and he's right, in that they are required, mainly because it's hard to send a repair technician to Mars, to rely on simulations. Most of us recognize what relatively primitive tools the "free" simulators available today are and adjust our expectations accordingly. I don't know why someone hasn't included a facility for introducing simulated external stimuli by means of a schedule, which, then, could be manipulated in any of a number of ways in order to produce meaningful results, since external stimuli are seldom totally random.

When I was just a pup, I wrote detailed simulators for various things, some of which one didn't even realize could be characterized sufficiently to allow deterministic simulation. I'd do that for these MCU's except for the following. (1) Guys like Erik would simply say that they're useless because he doesn't like simulators, (2) MCU makers would't provide proper data on the basis of which one could simulate the things, and (3) the last time I did that sort of thing it was in Fortran, and Fortran-II at that, so that was a quite long time ago. I might not last long enough to finish the job.

In any case, this guy, Sathiya Kumar, wants some guidance in "how to do that." He's willing to allow us to suggest a board on which to do it. He's probably willing to "listen." His question is clearly a subset of the O/P, Abishek Bk's query, however poorly stated it may have been.

Perhaps it would be better that he start a different thread, but since this one's already rolling, perhaps we can help everyone by dealing with his query here.

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TopicAuthorDate
Circuit Testing Software.....            01/01/70 00:00      
   Mixed simulator            01/01/70 00:00      
   ATE - not simulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
      ATE System Design            01/01/70 00:00      
      National Instruments            01/01/70 00:00      
      It is Software            01/01/70 00:00      
         simulation versus real life            01/01/70 00:00      
            What will you recommend?            01/01/70 00:00      
               i recall my first mentor Howard Taylor saying            01/01/70 00:00      
                  In that case.........            01/01/70 00:00      
               Prototype?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes, absolutely            01/01/70 00:00      
                  careful now!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     this is good, some comments especially on "testing            01/01/70 00:00      
                        i am not the only one            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thanks Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
            Hoping I was not rude...........            01/01/70 00:00      
         there is such a tool            01/01/70 00:00      
         Some ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
            I dont use Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
               Needless to mention here            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Suggestion accepted            01/01/70 00:00      
         Need a full Proteus            01/01/70 00:00      
            So that justifies theft?            01/01/70 00:00      
            New category needed?            01/01/70 00:00      
               why not post "I want you to steal for me"            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I once attended a seminar ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   where can I get a free Cadillac?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well......            01/01/70 00:00      
         that well gives muddy water            01/01/70 00:00      
            sometimes it takes time...            01/01/70 00:00      
            I have not worded myself right            01/01/70 00:00      
         take note ... nowhere do they mention "testing"            01/01/70 00:00      
            The trouble with simulation            01/01/70 00:00      
   Nice Effort            01/01/70 00:00      
      first of all ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         ATE software            01/01/70 00:00      
            meanwhile, back in the real world...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I know of no testing that can prove that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Automation can help            01/01/70 00:00      
                     If NASA or some entity spend millions of dollars            01/01/70 00:00      
   programmer downloader            01/01/70 00:00      
      Off-topic?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Does he know the difference between try and test?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Something like this?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Boundary Scan?            01/01/70 00:00      
      A couple more companies; and articles            01/01/70 00:00      

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