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12/15/06 06:17
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#129520 - Yes, they were warm ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Yes indeed, HMOS just had lower Rds in their mosfets, so they were faster but used more power. Their output levels were high enough (~3.65 volts) for most CMOS devices operating at 5 volts, so long as they weren't loaded. I've tried HCT logic in place of the AC logic, but it didn't help.

It doesn't look alive when it's getting really hot, but I went back to the spec's, and find that everything's hooked up per the spec's. The original HMOS parts wanted an inverter between X1 and X2. The X1 (input) is getting the oscillator output, but X2 doesn't produce much of interest. ALE is not active beyond the first transition. (It triggers the single-sweep on reset). Oddly enough, it doesn't trigger the nCS or nOE on the EPROM, even once. The same board hits those signals just fine with the CMOS part.

This thing consumes about 45 mA when running at full tilt with the DS89C420. The heat generated in the HMOS MCU clearly suggests about 400-500 mA (~ a couple of watts). (it rises from 20 degrees C (room temperature) to about 85 degrees C in about 1 minute. (Temperatures are guessed, not measured, though I may take my temperature probe to the thing just to see what it says.)

My PSU isn't metered in this case, and it's not adjustable, either. I suppose I could put a precision resistor in series and measure the voltage across it on the unregulated side, if I had the urge, but, so far, it hasn't seemed necessary. The fact that it gets blazingly hot pretty quickly indicates "something" is really wrong. I just don't see it. I'm apparently going to learn something here ... I hope ...

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TopicAuthorDate
Why would the OLD part get hot?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Could be            01/01/70 00:00      
      just to focus ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Current consumption?            01/01/70 00:00      
      HMOS            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, they were warm ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            some special mode?            01/01/70 00:00      
               I know            01/01/70 00:00      
               I doubt there\'s a special mode involved            01/01/70 00:00      
                  BI NGO!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Not yet, my friend ... but you\'re onto something            01/01/70 00:00      
                        doen memory lane            01/01/70 00:00      
                           it's all pretty confusing            01/01/70 00:00      
                              they all did            01/01/70 00:00      
   well ... the REAL question is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Have you tried using slow SRAM...            01/01/70 00:00      
      How about....            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not sure what that will tell me.            01/01/70 00:00      
      What do you believe that would do?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Step Back            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well, that's how it is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some hints            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, that\'s so ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
            Intel doesn\'t care ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            O.K. ... so here\'s what I\'ve found ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               do you want to be stylish?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Bipolar logic? Maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Back in the day            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Pull-ups            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Dynamic logic may be the reason for the hot part            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That's what I find confusing            01/01/70 00:00      
                              pullups HCT and LS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 74HCTMOS does not contain internal pull-ups            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 emitters vs resistors            01/01/70 00:00      
                           So, Kai, How did you arrive at 10K-ohms?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              No calculations, just a compromise            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I haven't tried it with LS parts ... yet ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    throw away that databook :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Well, it's the old TTL book from TI ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          just a thought re LS pullup            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             That's the HCTLS from Samsung            01/01/70 00:00      
                        re: back in the day            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What about P2?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              No Just P0            01/01/70 00:00      

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