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12/16/06 19:04
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#129616 - O.K. ... so here\'s what I\'ve found ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
While the box, which I labelled, contained Intel samples of i8751H-12's and multiple rails of AMD 8751H's. The latter, the AMD parts, worked as one might expect, once 10K-ohm pullups were put on P0, AND the oscillator was reduced to below 10 MHz. It did not function above 10 MHz, nor did it function without the pullups, even when HCT latches on P2 and P0 were used. The latch on P2 functions simply as a buffer. I didnt' have LS573's on hand, so that wasn't attempted. It puzzles me that the HCT logic didn't work with the AMD parts. Oddly enough, the Intel parts, which also didn't work without the pullups, using AC logic, DID work with the HCT latches. It was no surprise that the Intel parts work at 12 MHz.

Neither the Intel parts nor the AMD parts get hot when they are running. Because the AMD parts don't work at 11.0592 MHz, I wasn't able to verify that they operate properly, i.e. the debugger didn't talk to the terminal. I could change the parameters in the code, I guess, but I'm not that interested.

I also found that the oscillator pins seem to work different ly between these purportedly similar parts. The AMD part works fine when pin 18 is grounded, as shown in the datasheet, but doesn't function when it's open (driving XTAL1 with an oscillator). The Intel parts seem to work either way.

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Why would the OLD part get hot?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Could be            01/01/70 00:00      
      just to focus ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Current consumption?            01/01/70 00:00      
      HMOS            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, they were warm ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            some special mode?            01/01/70 00:00      
               I know            01/01/70 00:00      
               I doubt there\'s a special mode involved            01/01/70 00:00      
                  BI NGO!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Not yet, my friend ... but you\'re onto something            01/01/70 00:00      
                        doen memory lane            01/01/70 00:00      
                           it's all pretty confusing            01/01/70 00:00      
                              they all did            01/01/70 00:00      
   well ... the REAL question is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Have you tried using slow SRAM...            01/01/70 00:00      
      How about....            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not sure what that will tell me.            01/01/70 00:00      
      What do you believe that would do?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Step Back            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well, that's how it is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some hints            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, that\'s so ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
            Intel doesn\'t care ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            O.K. ... so here\'s what I\'ve found ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               do you want to be stylish?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Bipolar logic? Maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Back in the day            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Pull-ups            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Dynamic logic may be the reason for the hot part            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That's what I find confusing            01/01/70 00:00      
                              pullups HCT and LS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 74HCTMOS does not contain internal pull-ups            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 emitters vs resistors            01/01/70 00:00      
                           So, Kai, How did you arrive at 10K-ohms?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              No calculations, just a compromise            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I haven't tried it with LS parts ... yet ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    throw away that databook :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Well, it's the old TTL book from TI ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          just a thought re LS pullup            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             That's the HCTLS from Samsung            01/01/70 00:00      
                        re: back in the day            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What about P2?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              No Just P0            01/01/70 00:00      

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