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03/22/08 00:00
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#152434 - Thanks Richard
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard Erlacher said

If you properly filter your power supplies you needn't worry about RF or AC from the mains with the low impedance that you're using. However, you should probably load the inputs with a small capacitor (~1 nF) and definitely use a Schmidt-trigger inverter such as 40106/74C14. That will slow the switch closure and minimize the effect of bounce, perhaps even swallowing it completely.

Unfortunately, you've not explained what the noise source is and why you're concerned about it. Unless the ambient noise is quite low-impedance, you shouldn't see it in the circuit you're using, particularly if you capacitor-damp the schmidt-triggered input.

Keep in mind, too, that the 40106 will happily work at 12 volts, and will tolerate a very slow rise time, as would result from a capacitor-damped input. I would attenuate the inputs before capacitor-damping them, and feed that to Schmidt-triggers operating at the local supply voltage, however.

It matters quite a bit where the noise is originates, i.e. is it from the power supply, or the cable, on-board logic, or the environment. If that's not known, you can find it easily enough by means of a spectrum analyzer, which will show you the relative power in each frequency band. With a low-resistance 40 cm jumper, you can find the source at the boundaries of your PCB, and that same jumper can help you find appropriate sites for bypass to suppress that noise on your board. Inline ferrite beads can help with noise on your cables.

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Thanks Richard,
I appreciate very much your well thought comments.Meanwhile a 100K from base to ground has completely changed the picture...so long I had kept the diode inputs floating.....triggering by my multimeter in its diode testing range....and after connecting the 100K it is no more getting triggered by above low level inputs.
Now I am going to connect the 12 volt circuit.Connecting a condenser across the contact points is necessary but I wonder why not a much bigger one in this particular case if it is to bypass everything except firm switch closures.
I am new to this medical/nursing home electronics and trying to design for the worst case.At last I got this
Vishay PDF "Application Examples" Document Number: 83741 which is helping but not exactly on 4N35.The 100k idea I had from SMPS circuits and also from SB PM6668.DIA i.e. SB6668.zip.Sorry I don't have URLs but I got these from Googles few hours back.
Kindly give me a few hours time to post results.
With best regards
A.S.Rudra


List of 44 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Possibly noisy Relay/Switch Inputs            01/01/70 00:00      
   Schmitt inverter            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks Steve but please note change            01/01/70 00:00      
         Steve's suggestion is certainly valid!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
               Do you really need the optoisolators?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Why Schmitt Gates            01/01/70 00:00      
            That is the purpose of Schmidt-triggers ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   This is how I would do it            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'd probably do that too, except ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
         The waters have been muddied ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, it's clearer, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Priority Encoder Not a Good Idea            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, highest priority input would mask others            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Welcome Sir Michael Karas            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Note Length & Cadence on One Timer            01/01/70 00:00      
         Noise            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's all analog            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another way to do this            01/01/70 00:00      
   how fast do you need to detect the contacts            01/01/70 00:00      
      Hello Erik,Hello Kai,            01/01/70 00:00      
         what are you describing?            01/01/70 00:00      
            actual distance test(ohmically)            01/01/70 00:00      
               please answer questions            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Part success            01/01/70 00:00      
                     In the last analysis, it is up to you            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Provocative            01/01/70 00:00      
                           totally irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                     what 'common'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Transformerless supply...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I do not understand, parallelling switches            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Absolutely deadly dangerous!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              parallelling switches            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Sorry, but I see a contradiction...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    shock? touching what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Come on!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          The standard to which we designed ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         I believe you may have missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
   Current rating of relay?            01/01/70 00:00      
      not to nitpick, but            01/01/70 00:00      
         Thank you very much Erik            01/01/70 00:00      

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