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03/22/08 15:03
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Hello Everybody,
Esko Ilola said
...If there is a possibility that the wires pick up noise then no wire should be connected to the circuit directly. ...
The rest of the circuit is really normal and simple stuff.

Thanks Esko.I note that your TLP732's Pin 6 i.e. base/gate is OPEN.
Richard Erlacher said
..The original description says he doesn't care how much the transition is delayed/shifted in time. I'd guess it will work fine, and deosn't need an optoisolator at all.

As I suggested, if he takes those 12-volt inputs from the relays and divides them through, say, a series pair of 1300 and 820 ohms, he'll have, nominally, his 2K-ohm resistance from 12 volts to GND, yet his Schmidt-trigger will see a transition from about 4.8 volts to GND, and if he puts a 1 nF cap across the 820 ohm resistor, the risetime will be slow and relatively bounce free. The Schmidt-trigger will swallow (mask) minor (100 mV) noise or ripple on the input, since its threshold for positive-going signal is considerably higher than its negative-going threshold, in fact, nearly a volt. The threshold doesn't move around much, as it's ratiometric (in the case of the 40106) and tied to the supply.

The original description says he doesn't care how much the transition is delayed/shifted in time. I'd guess it will work fine, and deosn't need an optoisolator at all.

Thanks Richard.Earlier you said
If you properly filter your power supplies you needn't worry about RF or AC from the mains with the low impedance that you're using.

Unless the ambient noise is quite low-impedance, you shouldn't see it in the circuit you're using, particularly if you capacitor-damp the schmidt-triggered input.

Now what is the input impedance of the circuit's 4N35?
When the exciter LED is open?When the base/gate is open?
Neil Kurzman said
The problem is you are putting an analog signal into a digital input.

Thanks Neil.But why analog?All I want is to detect remote SWITCH closures.
Richard Erlacher said
I would like to omit the optoisolator.

Sure because robustness and reliabily will offset the increase in cost using two relays.
With best regards
A.S.Rudra


List of 44 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Possibly noisy Relay/Switch Inputs            01/01/70 00:00      
   Schmitt inverter            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks Steve but please note change            01/01/70 00:00      
         Steve's suggestion is certainly valid!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
               Do you really need the optoisolators?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Why Schmitt Gates            01/01/70 00:00      
            That is the purpose of Schmidt-triggers ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   This is how I would do it            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'd probably do that too, except ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
         The waters have been muddied ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, it's clearer, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Priority Encoder Not a Good Idea            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, highest priority input would mask others            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Welcome Sir Michael Karas            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Note Length & Cadence on One Timer            01/01/70 00:00      
         Noise            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's all analog            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another way to do this            01/01/70 00:00      
   how fast do you need to detect the contacts            01/01/70 00:00      
      Hello Erik,Hello Kai,            01/01/70 00:00      
         what are you describing?            01/01/70 00:00      
            actual distance test(ohmically)            01/01/70 00:00      
               please answer questions            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Part success            01/01/70 00:00      
                     In the last analysis, it is up to you            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Provocative            01/01/70 00:00      
                           totally irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                     what 'common'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Transformerless supply...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I do not understand, parallelling switches            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Absolutely deadly dangerous!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              parallelling switches            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Sorry, but I see a contradiction...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    shock? touching what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Come on!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          The standard to which we designed ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         I believe you may have missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
   Current rating of relay?            01/01/70 00:00      
      not to nitpick, but            01/01/70 00:00      
         Thank you very much Erik            01/01/70 00:00      

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