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03/22/08 15:41
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#152444 - The waters have been muddied ...
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Asok Sankar Rudra said:
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Thanks Neil.But why analog?All I want is to detect remote SWITCH closures.
Richard Erlacher said
I would like to omit the optoisolator.

Sure because robustness and reliability will offset the increase in cost using two relays.
With best regards
A.S.Rudra


This makes me wonder what the role of these relays is. Are they necessary. You refer to switch closures. Surely you don't have switches operating the relays ... or do you?

My conclusion from your presentation of the original schematic was that the relays ARE the switches. The suggestion of a resistive voltage-divider to attenuate the input swing down to the supply at which you operate your control circuit, including capacitors, still holds, but it now doesn't look so clear.

My comment that the input circuit is low-impedance came from the fact that you had a 2K-ohm resistance in the circuit from +12 to Gnd as seen from the relays, and my conclusion was that the noise with which you are concerned comes from the cable length or ambient EMI. I didn't regard the input impedance of the optoisolator at all, since I'd omit the thing. That would leave a 40106/74C14 Schmidt-trigger inverter in place of the optoisolator, and simply have the 40106 interpret the voltage across the switch, as modified by the voltage-divider and capacitor, for you. There are six Schmidt-trigger inverters in one 40106, so you could, if you like, use them in pairs, thereby leaving the input signal to your MCU circuit in the same logical sense as the switch/relay.

Could you clarify how you apply the relay, please? If it is driven by a switch, then you could probably omit the relay, too, again, provided it doesn't violate some regulatory restriction. It's possible you might need either the relay or the optoisolator because you must be isolated from the signal source, but you probably don't need both, as either one provides isolation.

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List of 44 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Possibly noisy Relay/Switch Inputs            01/01/70 00:00      
   Schmitt inverter            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks Steve but please note change            01/01/70 00:00      
         Steve's suggestion is certainly valid!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
               Do you really need the optoisolators?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Why Schmitt Gates            01/01/70 00:00      
            That is the purpose of Schmidt-triggers ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   This is how I would do it            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'd probably do that too, except ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
         The waters have been muddied ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, it's clearer, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Priority Encoder Not a Good Idea            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, highest priority input would mask others            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Welcome Sir Michael Karas            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Note Length & Cadence on One Timer            01/01/70 00:00      
         Noise            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's all analog            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another way to do this            01/01/70 00:00      
   how fast do you need to detect the contacts            01/01/70 00:00      
      Hello Erik,Hello Kai,            01/01/70 00:00      
         what are you describing?            01/01/70 00:00      
            actual distance test(ohmically)            01/01/70 00:00      
               please answer questions            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Part success            01/01/70 00:00      
                     In the last analysis, it is up to you            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Provocative            01/01/70 00:00      
                           totally irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                     what 'common'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Transformerless supply...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I do not understand, parallelling switches            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Absolutely deadly dangerous!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              parallelling switches            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Sorry, but I see a contradiction...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    shock? touching what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Come on!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          The standard to which we designed ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         I believe you may have missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
   Current rating of relay?            01/01/70 00:00      
      not to nitpick, but            01/01/70 00:00      
         Thank you very much Erik            01/01/70 00:00      

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