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11/29/08 15:32
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#160414 - don't be deceived by Keil's database
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Per Westermark said:
A lot of chips that can easily be extended to 64kB XDATA.

Actually, I know of NO '51 derivatives with external memory bus implemented, which could not directly MOVX-access 64kB (i.e. which would have external bus missing some address lines). There are quite a lot of those, which don't support MOVX-style external memory at all, though; usually the low-pin-count ones.

Per Westermark said:
And it seems to be 14 chips in the Keil database with 64kB or more internally.

Don't be deceived.

The Dallas "chips" are in fact modules on a SIMM-stick. The chip itself is ROM- and XRAM-less. Mentor and Handshake (a Philips/NXP spin-off or subsidiary, with an interesting asynchronous design, but no "publicly" sold chips) offer IP, so you should read it rather as "64kB MOVX capable".

This leaves the Tezzaron devices as the sole single-package solution for >64kB XRAM. The second best I know are the fatter parts of uPSD3xxx family, which come with up to 32kB of internal XRAM, together with an inordinate amount of FLASH.

JW



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TopicAuthorDate
Need bigger RAM            01/01/70 00:00      
   find out here            01/01/70 00:00      
   MCS-51 is the best            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not for BIG RAM!            01/01/70 00:00      
         why not?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
            Address range does matter            01/01/70 00:00      
               still, why not            01/01/70 00:00      
                  while I agree with Per, here is a nugget for Jan            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Large data:: Yes, large RAM: Watch out            01/01/70 00:00      
                     particular application of OP, not yours, matters            01/01/70 00:00      
                        And the best is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        but added complexity equals likely more buggy            01/01/70 00:00      
                  "best" is the key.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Addressing modes do matter            01/01/70 00:00      
               Why would anyone use THAT architecture?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Helps to check context before reacting            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It is the architecture and not the brand            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Sorry if unclear            01/01/70 00:00      
            Quick PC history            01/01/70 00:00      
               engineering insight            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What was your point?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Possible to 16Mbyte            01/01/70 00:00      
      I use MCS51            01/01/70 00:00      
         So why didn't you say that in the first place?            01/01/70 00:00      
            The universal truth again            01/01/70 00:00      
               64kB RAM?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Both            01/01/70 00:00      
                     don't be deceived by Keil's database            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Good to know            01/01/70 00:00      
         '51 vs '52            01/01/70 00:00      
         even with AT89C2051 can be done            01/01/70 00:00      
   ... and the BIGGEST is...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Is that RAM on-chip?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe biggest, but BEST?            01/01/70 00:00      

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