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03/28/05 19:05
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#90559 - Detecting 220V
In a domestic electricity installation, I want to switch whole circuits on or off by means of a, what we call, teleruptor relais. Don't know if this is the correct English word, but it's a kind of a relais, that has two steady powerless states (a relay has only one, since it falls back again, once the power is removed).

If you power the relais coil of the teleruptor, it switches to one position and it stays there until you power the relais coil again. Then it swiches back to the other position.
In fact, a toggle relais which doesn't need power once a certain state is reached. It only needs power when the other state is to be reached again.

But since you cannot exactly know in which state the teleruptor ended after powering the relais coil (the contacts can be closed, but they can also be opened), you need to 'spy' one way or another if the contacts are closed.

One possibility is by means of help-contacts. These are potential-free contacts that are mechanically connected to the relais and those contacts "follow" the teleruptor. When the teleruptor is closed, so are the contacts of the help-relais. And vice versa.

However, such help-contacts are quite expensive and I was wondering if you could 'sense' the output of the relais and bring this info (down-converted and separated by an opto-coupler, for instance) to the input of a detection circuit (0-5Vdc inputs), so that you exactly know the state of the relais in all possible situations.

Does anyone know how such 'conversion' can be done? Maybe a ready-made scheme? Would be nice...

Best rgds,

--Geert

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Detecting 220V            01/01/70 00:00      
   AC-input optoisolator            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks!            01/01/70 00:00      
   I'd use a transformer            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why the transformer?            01/01/70 00:00      
         not necessarily relative to ground            01/01/70 00:00      
            Neon + LDR?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I read the Datasheet of MID400            01/01/70 00:00      
         MID400            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's strange, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
               recognized            01/01/70 00:00      
                  "You're Forgiven, Not Forgotten..."            01/01/70 00:00      
   Transformer isolation recommended            01/01/70 00:00      
      May I Modify Your Suggestion Kai ??            01/01/70 00:00      
         Of course...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Kai, Michael - what about ready-made            01/01/70 00:00      
               Could also solve the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                  One futther on the Wall Wart Idea...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Wall Wart            01/01/70 00:00      
      Is optoisolation fundamentally dangerous            01/01/70 00:00      
         No, not fundamentally, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            What is dangerous?            01/01/70 00:00      
   A different view            01/01/70 00:00      
   I'm sweating... ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
      wallwarts            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh, I see!            01/01/70 00:00      
            that's a lot of fuses            01/01/70 00:00      
            A bit clarification required            01/01/70 00:00      
               Forgot to press the "Post" button            01/01/70 00:00      
                  enough, yes - that much, no            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Existing commercial products            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Quite a large project, indeed...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Mains control            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I know...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Safety issues            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another idea, using a coil and an op-amp            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Another idea...            01/01/70 00:00      

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