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03/31/05 05:40
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#90727 - Quite a large project, indeed...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Sasha Jevtic said:
It sounds like you are working on quite a large home automation project!

Yes, I am!!! ;-)

Sasha Jevtic said:
Have you considered using any commercial home automation solutions?

Actually, yes and no. Yes, to get some of the ideas, no because it's too costly. You can, of course, buy 'cheap' systems, but then you also have a limited functionality.

Sasha Jevtic said:
There is an incredible array of products out there that do the types of things you want to do. For example, the Grafik Eye system from Lutron is an excellent architectural lighting control system whose main objective is to give you easy access to various preset lighting configurations (Lutron calls these "scenes"; you call them "moods"). One thing that is nice with this system is that you can get different power handling modules for the different types of loads you have. And, if in the end you still are not satisfied with the level of control that the system offers, you can add an RS-232 interface and control your loads in an arbitrary fashion with whatever you choose, whether something as simple as an 8051 or as elaborate as a large touch LCD panel.

Believe me, Sasha, I've been through a lot of investigation regarding this. And I know that there are a lot of interesting 'solutions' off the shelve. But my main concerns are the following:

  • all have 'standard' solutions for quite a reasonable price, that's true. But if you ask a little bit more, then the (also) standard answer is: "Oh yes, sir, that's certainly possible. Then you need this and this module, that and that sensor, and this and this modification in your software that, of course, we can do for you".
    And before you can even take a breath, they present you the extra cost. If you're lucky, then you still stand upright some seconds later, otherwise you make an angle of about 90 degrees, a result from the (after)shock of the price ticket they 'glue' on those so-called small extensions.
    Another result would mostly also be a serious headache from both the price as well as the fall on the ground... ;-)
  • no 'tailor made' solutions are available, unless you want to pay even more money for the system.
  • what I have in mind, is maybe next to impossible to pay, when using a commercial system. I really want to have the max. flexibility, not only now, but also in the future.
  • if I buy such a system, then I'm hooked on the supplier. Even the smallest extention, change, modification, I would be completely dependant on his knowledge, time, price, ...
    I have no idea about the hardware used, the software used and so on...
    And that's something I want to avoid.
  • if I make it myself, I make it the way I want it
  • if I make it myself, then I know both the hardware as well as the software. Changes can be done by myself, since I know the system.
  • if I make it myself, I have the joy and pleasure (but not always...) too. I can put a part of my 'soul' in the new house, by doing a lot (for example, the home automation) myself...
  • I'm going to use I2C as the 'standard communication protocol' for my system, since I have a reasonable knowledge about this protocol. It's simple, it's robust and it's reliable.

Maybe I can give you more reasons, but I thing you get the picture by now...


Sasha Jevtic said:
This is just one example; there are lots of other companies that make products that are useful for home automation, including Crestron and AMX.

I know, and I will definitely give them a look, even if it's only to know what they're offering.

Sasha Jevtic said:
There is nothing wrong with what you are doing, but you might be able to avoid reinventing the wheel for at least some of what you are trying to accomplish.

I heard this remark already a few times, and for people who don't really know what I'm having in mind, I can understand this.
But on exhibitions, I sometimes hear this more because of the 'envy' of the sellers (also understandable, of course).

But thanks for the links, I'll have a look at them.

Best rgds,

--Geert


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Detecting 220V            01/01/70 00:00      
   AC-input optoisolator            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks!            01/01/70 00:00      
   I'd use a transformer            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why the transformer?            01/01/70 00:00      
         not necessarily relative to ground            01/01/70 00:00      
            Neon + LDR?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I read the Datasheet of MID400            01/01/70 00:00      
         MID400            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's strange, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
               recognized            01/01/70 00:00      
                  "You're Forgiven, Not Forgotten..."            01/01/70 00:00      
   Transformer isolation recommended            01/01/70 00:00      
      May I Modify Your Suggestion Kai ??            01/01/70 00:00      
         Of course...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Kai, Michael - what about ready-made            01/01/70 00:00      
               Could also solve the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                  One futther on the Wall Wart Idea...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Wall Wart            01/01/70 00:00      
      Is optoisolation fundamentally dangerous            01/01/70 00:00      
         No, not fundamentally, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            What is dangerous?            01/01/70 00:00      
   A different view            01/01/70 00:00      
   I'm sweating... ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
      wallwarts            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh, I see!            01/01/70 00:00      
            that's a lot of fuses            01/01/70 00:00      
            A bit clarification required            01/01/70 00:00      
               Forgot to press the "Post" button            01/01/70 00:00      
                  enough, yes - that much, no            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Existing commercial products            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Quite a large project, indeed...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Mains control            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I know...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Safety issues            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another idea, using a coil and an op-amp            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Another idea...            01/01/70 00:00      

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