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06/21/05 00:35
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#95407 - The 'grey' zone
Responding to: ???'s previous message

No, I'm not talking about old age pensioners!

Mehdi, simply put, if you violate the manufacturers specs, then expect inconsistant results. In the case of an input, as Erik says it will register as either a '1' or a '0'. If you're in the 'grey' zone the input may register as a '1' sometimes and a '0' others. I think you understand this. So the question is "how do we cope with this?". Obviously we try to avoid this situation but in the real world this can happen. Things like PLCs have software to 'debounce' the input - the input must be in a particular state for a given period of time to register one way or another. So yes, we would normally use a timer. Do a search on 'debounce' and I think your question is answered.

As a general rule, if you violate input voltage specs or timing specs, the circuit will become erratic and normally temperature sensitive. The manufacturers specs are based on the design, statistical sampling and temperature to guarantee to us, the user/designer a safe area to design within.


List of 49 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Invalid input voltage?            01/01/70 00:00      
   read the specs            01/01/70 00:00      
      Re:read the specs            01/01/70 00:00      
         Noise margins            01/01/70 00:00      
            Re:Noise margins            01/01/70 00:00      
            MAKE the signal determinate            01/01/70 00:00      
   0 or 1            01/01/70 00:00      
      Fuzzy logic...?!            01/01/70 00:00      
         zone between VIL and VIH            01/01/70 00:00      
         zone between VIL and VIH            01/01/70 00:00      
            The 'grey' zone            01/01/70 00:00      
               Illogical signals help us to having...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Well, I'm lost!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Re:Well, I'm lost!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Scopes            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Re:Scopes            01/01/70 00:00      
                     7 or 9 value logic            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I understand what Mehdi is saying.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Ah            01/01/70 00:00      
                     excellent, Michael            01/01/70 00:00      
                        triad            01/01/70 00:00      
                     wow, Mike            01/01/70 00:00      
                     There's the rub            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Detect What?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Absolutely but!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        a question based on a guess            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not debounce. Hysteresis/schmitt            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Re:Not debounce. Hysteresis/schmitt            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Well, then ADC.            01/01/70 00:00      
         It Could be            01/01/70 00:00      
            "undefined operation"            01/01/70 00:00      
               Undefined            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
   Thanks...            01/01/70 00:00      
      based on the above            01/01/70 00:00      
         Erik:Based on mehdi's emphasis            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
            Wow.            01/01/70 00:00      
               I describe it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Service            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I will never            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I will always            01/01/70 00:00      
            the missing if            01/01/70 00:00      
   Port 0 output when no power            01/01/70 00:00      
      Port 0 to Port 0.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Voltage Divder of 10k            01/01/70 00:00      
            nope            01/01/70 00:00      
               2 line solution            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I do somethimes my thumbs have another o            01/01/70 00:00      

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