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09/07/06 17:22
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#123863 - Yes, but necessary
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I wouldn't attend a school that didn't have so elementary a piece of hardware in the lab. These are essential for any sort of RF work, where even the 3-5 pf of capacitance is of concern.

Newbies smart enough to build in a FET buffer as you've suggested will never encounter this problem. Note that there are more components in the FET buffer than in the entire rest of a typical newbie application circuit.

My take on the situation is that, if his oscillator is not working he has (a) a defective MCU, (b) the wrong passive components (capacitors), (c) a defective crystal, or (d) an improperly wired circuit. Would a person likely to have any or all of these faults in his circuit be able to add an otherwise unnecessary buffer without worsening the situation?

Ordinarily, one hooks up the crystal and cap's, attaches Vcc and GND, and, once switched on, the oscillator oscillates. After all, the oscillator is just a CMOS inverter with a 10 Megohm resistor in feedback. It's the crystal and cap's that make it oscillate.

The problem is that beginners don't know how and where to get the "right" components, and they don't know how to go about wiring them up. They don't know about the importance of proper power supply bypass at the Vcc and GND connections, and they don't understand the importance of keeping wires short and connections clean. All of these are learned, and, generally, not from a textbook. It's hard experience that's the teacher. That's why I advocate using an 8032 rather than a part with internal memory. It's not because it's easier, but be cause it teaches valuable practices and procedures, not to mention better understanding of what's going on.

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20 MHz osc.            01/01/70 00:00      
   no answer            01/01/70 00:00      
      by oscilloscope probe            01/01/70 00:00      
         WHAT DERIVATIVE? WHAT VOLTAGE            01/01/70 00:00      
            Why Erik is asking            01/01/70 00:00      
               Do standard i8052's work at 20 MHz?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  who c ares            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Maybe he don't know what a "derivative" is??            01/01/70 00:00      
         ALE probably won't help ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            it will            01/01/70 00:00      
               true enough, but he knows it\'s not oscillating            01/01/70 00:00      
                  you never know            01/01/70 00:00      
                     FET buffer is suited to touch the oscillator pins            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Or a FET probe for your 'scope            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Of course, but expensive...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Yes, but necessary            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Dont take it too literaly...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    quite true            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       we'll never know            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Ah, now I know what you mean!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Low capacitance probes.            01/01/70 00:00      
   That would be tricky...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well            01/01/70 00:00      
   thanks for all replies,            01/01/70 00:00      
      8259            01/01/70 00:00      
      Operating?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Crystal Types            01/01/70 00:00      
         Xtal            01/01/70 00:00      
            ???            01/01/70 00:00      
               SMS reply            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Only NP0 ceramics must be used!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I'm curious            01/01/70 00:00      
      Some answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
      no thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
      You really SHOULD respond            01/01/70 00:00      
         So many people SHOULD...            01/01/70 00:00      
            if only they WOULD            01/01/70 00:00      
   Use Inductor            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, but at the right place!            01/01/70 00:00      
         so why bother            01/01/70 00:00      
   and why bother #2            01/01/70 00:00      

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