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02/06/07 20:47
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#132161 - Because...
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Mike Stegmaier said:
Why does everyone insist on having me spend money on other chips???

Don't people ever think about using what they got?

I'm not going to throw $15 CDN worth of chips in the garbage.


Why? Because what you're trying to do is outside spec, highly unusual, and unlikely to succeed with the equipment you have on hand. Furthermore, you're trying to solve a problem that the chip manufacturers themselves solved with ISP years ago.


As for $15 CDN... The AT89S52 in 40 pdip, which is likely a 100% pin compatable replacement for your chip, is $2.01 USD at Digikey, which is about $2.38 CDN today. It will run at 33Mhz, so your 18.432Mhz xtal is well within spec. It's serial programmable, via FLIP. All you have to do is buffer your parallel port and/or keep the leads short. Mouser has the 24Mhz version for $3.10 but are out of stock. They have a better small order policy. (Erik will be along shortly with the NXP equivelent part, so I won't bother looking it up... :-)


As for using what I have on hand... All the time. I started dabbling with electronics when I was in the 3rd grade. I've got a junk box that's 30+ years deep. You know what? Most of it is junk! Anyone need a JAN 807 tube? I have some mid-60's transistors too. We're talking 2N1304's and 1305's in big metal cans, 2N711's. Probably not RoHS... :-)


~2 years ago when I first found this site, I was in the same boat. I had an eprom programmer, a bunch of 8031's and a big pile of 2716's left over from 1984. The crew here gave me the same advice, which I've been slowly taking. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and buy the right part.


Rob



List of 45 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
CMOS?            01/01/70 00:00      
   74HC and 74HCT IS CMOS!            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes            01/01/70 00:00      
         a datasheet and a calculator            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why do you want to "process the PSEN signal" I kno            01/01/70 00:00      
      You need to stick your nose in the books, Mike            01/01/70 00:00      
         umm.            01/01/70 00:00      
            WHAT are you doing with the PSEN ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               programmer + system            01/01/70 00:00      
                  80C51BH doesn't have EPROM            01/01/70 00:00      
                     He's using it as an 80C31            01/01/70 00:00      
                     im meant            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Ambiguous            01/01/70 00:00      
                     LPT            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Is it T0 and T1, or T1 and T2?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           T0 and T1 and, for a '52 T2            01/01/70 00:00      
            What do you mean \"ummm\"            01/01/70 00:00      
               welcome to "Trying"            01/01/70 00:00      
                  nobody thinks you're stupid, however ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     answer.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        why screw with the clock?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           stop trying to make deals!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not necessarily            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    sorry, I goofed            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Because...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Yes, but will it work? It's ATMEL ... (yechhh!)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Just to play it safe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    or try the Maxim/DALLAS parts ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       BINGO            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Not a good first chip            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          What's his primary purpose            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Mike - FREE CHIP            01/01/70 00:00      
                        An easier way?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           if he is to get another chip, then            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Harder than it needs to be            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Let him do what he wants! He'll learn something.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    a small correction            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Well, I wouldn't know ... I don't use ATMEL            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    answers....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       TOTALLY and ABSOLUTELY incorrect. if "the flash            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          .            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Mike ,,, there are other problems ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        There may be some surprises ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               two Timers            01/01/70 00:00      

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