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04/09/05 21:24
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#91314 - remarks
Responding to: ???'s previous message
First, if the programmer does not recognize the chip, it has nothing to do with FLASH wear; rather, with wear of the programmer (ZIF or connectors).

The consequences of FLASH wearout are certainly dependent on particular technology and circuit details and maybe also on the memory cell's "history". As FLASH/EEPROM memory cells are not too dissimilar to EPROMs, the "dead" cells will behave similarly. During the years, I have seen all the possible behaviour, "stiff" cells which could not been programmed or erased; "alzheimer-sick" cells "forgetting" their state, "gambling" cells returning random values.

Detrimental for erasable memories is not only the wear, but also various kind of radiation, electrical (over)stress, heat(!).

I always try to keep a "fresh" chip for developing and "get rid" of the "used" (but not abused) one to production pieces.

Btw. I don't think there is any error correction in common microcontrollers' FLASH (it is in flash cards/disks); and if I remember right, the counter in GALs was in fact implemented in the programmers' software.

Jan Waclawek

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TopicAuthorDate
what will happen after..            01/01/70 00:00      
   Its all about reliability            01/01/70 00:00      
   Probabily            01/01/70 00:00      
   Lets hope it is this way....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Statistics            01/01/70 00:00      
         EPROMS            01/01/70 00:00      
            Hidden details            01/01/70 00:00      
   remarks            01/01/70 00:00      
      GAL counter history            01/01/70 00:00      
      is it ambiguous always?            01/01/70 00:00      
         A checkout code may help            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes sir..            01/01/70 00:00      
               Quality Accessories            01/01/70 00:00      
                  thank you Sir...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Serial Cable.            01/01/70 00:00      
         ESD?            01/01/70 00:00      
            I dont think..            01/01/70 00:00      
               discharged??            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes, Discharged..            01/01/70 00:00      
                     you just blew the chip            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Hmmm.. but here..            01/01/70 00:00      
                           making the best of a bad situation            01/01/70 00:00      
         programmer reject            01/01/70 00:00      
   Check out this site.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Intermittent problems due to            01/01/70 00:00      
         EARTHING PROBLEM ALSO CAN ..            01/01/70 00:00      
            sure.. will check that out..            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks Jerry..            01/01/70 00:00      
   my solution and some info            01/01/70 00:00      
   Not sure about FLASH, but EEPROM            01/01/70 00:00      

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