| ??? 06/10/05 23:43 Modified: 06/10/05 23:53 Read: times Msg Score: +1 +1 Good Answer/Helpful |
#94648 - The scope plot tells it all! Responding to: ???'s previous message |
Hy Stanley,
from your scope plot, which I repeat here  you can find every detail needed to design a successfully working circuit: 1. Find out why the base line of the plot isn't totally narrow. You can very clearly see noise on this base line, which is superimposed to your signal. Play a bit with the deflection settings of your scope to find out what this noise is. Then find out how you can mask it! Very probably a bandpass filter can be used to filter out anything which hasn't the same frequency as the transducer frequency. But take care, to me it looks like there are some older ultrasonic echoes superimposed to your actual echoe. So, you might have to make the time spacings between the ultrasonic bursts wider? 2. Have a look at exact frequency of ultrasonic signal. This will tell you the center frequency of your bandpass filter. 3. Have a look, how much the transducer signal changes in frequency from burst to burst. Take care, temperature changes can make your ultrasonic frequency undergo changes. This frequency range tells you how high the damping of your bandpass should be. I guess a Q of about 5 is adequate. If Q = 5 does not suffice to suppress noise enough, then two or more identical bandpass filters can be put in series. 4. Vary the distance of what is reflecting the ultrasonic burst. Look at the scope how much the signal amplitude will vary. I guess it will be a range of about 1 : 1/200, or so. Highly depends on the range of distance you will allow to be detected. This tells you the dynamic range of your signal and tells you where to set the threshold of your Schmitt-trigger. Also: (a) An AGC amplifier, which automatically controls the gain might not be a cure to your problem. Why? Just because the echoes are only lasting for a short period. Too short for most AGCs? More, if your signal is hidden in the noise, then an AGC amplifier will only detect the noise and nothing is gained. First of all, you must adequately pick out the signal from noise. (b) A Lock-in amplifier which is a phase sensitive detector will not work, because the phase of the echoed ultrasonic burst isn't predictable and isn't constant. Think about what happens if the reflector of ultrasonic burts wanders a bit: This will also change the phase of echoed ultrasonic bursts. Kai |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| Ultrasonic Signal Processing | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Time dependant gain | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Further attenuation... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Signal recovery. | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| AGC? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| AGC as Steve said// | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| My Algorithm was: | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| My Algorithm was: | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Ultrasonic Ranging | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Matched filter on the rescue | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| matched filters | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Phase locked amplifier | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Its a different thing | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Ah | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Thats the one.... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Clever woman | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Just an idea | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| The scope plot tells it all! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Largest signal | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| 'Greatest' echo is the wrong criterion! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| somehow I remember... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No, no... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Oops~ forgot... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| the product | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Power of transmission pulse | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Preamp circuit Here | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Add caps to remove base line noise | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Another potential problem... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Problem with ADC? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| possible solution to the ADC problem | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Ok~ | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Debug Result | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| ADC Sampling and code debugging | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| sampling time | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Adc for Ultrasonic? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Next, comes to "average" | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Why use the adc? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Forgot to tell... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Circle in RED | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Asking for help again - Filter | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Notch | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I don't know | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| DSP | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Nah | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| for the sake of learning | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| so | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I agree | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Amplitude | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Op amps | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| 100pF | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| bypass ?? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Yes | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No sort of bypass | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| BTE054 BTE054USS2 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Better noise control | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re: BTE054 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Replace LMV6032 with LM324 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re:low sensitivity | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re:no filtering | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Note | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Notch filter? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No, | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Bandpass | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| NOT a criticism | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Update... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Umm... Nowadays? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Op amp parameters | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| "Filters for Dummy" | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Have you tried it with ..... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Yes, I've tried it and it works well | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Basic electronics | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| 0.002uF -> 3300uF | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re:noise | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Exactly the same | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| test of signal | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| It's over 1.2m | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| TWO bypass caps. | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Two were found | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Usenet | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Why using a PLL, when a bandpass can ... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| which is why ,,,, | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Not sure what you meant.. | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Already | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| But it MUST work properly!! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Circuit here | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Op-amp to replace LM324 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Non-inverting Input Voltage Divider | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| LM567 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re:LM324 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re:wrong link | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No AGC | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| AGC | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Yes | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re: no AGC | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| LMC6032 is much more linear than LM324 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re: | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re:attenuation of signal | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Good ones and bad ones | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| another article of interest | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| tramsmit & receive | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| how to measure the distance perfectly? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Fatal Error! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| How about this one.... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Ultrasonic Detection Code! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| is that right? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Not right,,,,, | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Thanks! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| another missing! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| i'll try it.. | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Some Applications of ultrasonic | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| "Op amps for everyone" | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| woo... tiring trip | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Check this one | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Thanks | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| is it not fundamentally wrong | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Both | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I knew that... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Synthetic grounds | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| no, Kai | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Steve, Erik | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| The circuit works, but... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Moral | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Puh, what antennas... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Which means I can't use breadboard | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| In one word. | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Using the LM318 | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Missing 10K | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| More caps | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Where? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Parallel | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Does it work now? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Yes, it works fine | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Theoretical work missed | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Fatal Error! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Another article to peruse | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Another one... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| same application | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Sorry | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Why sorry? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| That's exactly what I want to do | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| which one is the best way? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Capacitors | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| i've got it | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| not the best solution | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Laser ranging | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| how much | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I've withdrawn from the competition | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| NOT finance | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Re: money is not everything | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Good Luck | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| good luck | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Good luck | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Thanks! | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| The noise again | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re:link | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Link | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| this is the link | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re:noise | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| 5-14 Khz | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| re:5-14kHz | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| The Noise Amplitude | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| gain | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| the problem is gain | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Schematic | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Thank You but... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Thank You but... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| 1/4Watt is enough | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Simulation result | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Strange plots... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| How about Compensation? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Not needed | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Bigger Pulse | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Bridge configuration can help | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| The same circuit but... | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| ...but much stronger | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| I have tried | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| What do you mean by ripple? | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| The ripple | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| No, it is not. The output from a logic | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Answer | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Yup Kai | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| It's to adjust oscillating frequency | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
Finished | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Exams VS academic | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| "Plan B" | 01/01/70 00:00 | |
| Universities in HongKong | 01/01/70 00:00 |