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09/22/05 15:08
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#101395 - Fan-out specification
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Jan said:
No, it is not, unless you specify the manufacturer.
The most common value is 0.3V.

It depends more on Fan-out specification, than on manufacturer: Taking into consideration a Fan-out of ten 74TTL-loads, the low-voltage noise margin of 74TTL-family is 400mV. The same with 74LS-chips: Refering to a Fan-out of ten 74LS-loads, the low-voltage noise margin of 74LS-family is 400mV.

A word to 'hair-picking':
You CAN have success with your diode solution. But for a professional this is not a real option. A professional has (painfully) learned over decades of designing, that there's absolutely no gain in reducing the noise margins! And a professional for this reason does not want to discuss any further such solutions, where the noise margins are reduced somehow, because he (painfully) has learned that he cannot trust these 'solutions', when he urgently need to trust them. A professional insists on having all the noise margin the manufacturer of chips delivers. And the professional gets fired if his project fails because of a not professional like design solution...
So, Jan, please don't feel offended by my insistence!

As I said, I will not comment on the topic itself any more.

Why that? Let the discussion go on...

I accept your point-of-view, if you accept mine.


Kai

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AT89c2051 port pin remains latched            01/01/70 00:00      
   1-to-0 transition current            01/01/70 00:00      
   OC comparator            01/01/70 00:00      
      a diode in series will do...            01/01/70 00:00      
      LM336-5            01/01/70 00:00      
         Price!! and speed?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Hmmmmmm...............            01/01/70 00:00      
               write PID sotfware for mcs51 micro.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Start it as a new thread            01/01/70 00:00      
      Using LM339 only            01/01/70 00:00      
         LM339!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Pull up to 339            01/01/70 00:00      
               Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
               here are the two schemes            01/01/70 00:00      
                  not 12V, but 5.7            01/01/70 00:00      
                     and            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ???            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Question            01/01/70 00:00      
                              LM339            01/01/70 00:00      
                              open Collector            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 OOPS.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  12V swing            01/01/70 00:00      
                     there were three pictures...........            01/01/70 00:00      
                        yep...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Use P1.0 or P1.1            01/01/70 00:00      
      P1.0 and p1.1 are used            01/01/70 00:00      
   yep!! that is solved            01/01/70 00:00      
      Nothing is solved...            01/01/70 00:00      
         why so complicated?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Vil for 89c2051            01/01/70 00:00      
               then use a Schottkey            01/01/70 00:00      
                  LM339            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It probably will in the lab, the            01/01/70 00:00      
                        noise immunity?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           it most certainly does            01/01/70 00:00      
            Low-voltage noise margin            01/01/70 00:00      
               Real Programmers don't use Pascal            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's so easy to state your opinion and t            01/01/70 00:00      
                     no more words            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's amateurish to reduce noise margins            01/01/70 00:00      
                     hair-picking            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Fan-out specification            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Circuits that work on.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Rise times at 3MHz            01/01/70 00:00      
                        a small correction            01/01/70 00:00      
   I second the motion            01/01/70 00:00      

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