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11/15/05 23:07
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#103773 - Clarification
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik said:
However, re my first post, the OP did the "usual" in attempting to do 485 without reading "10 ways to bulletproof". That should be MANDATORY before even writing the first line of code ot drawing the first line of the schematic if 485 is involved.

Whoa there. You've jumped to the wrong conclusion. Before I even considered posting here I did a search and read up on previous 485 threads. I read National AN-1057 and also AN-847 which deals exclusively with the 3 resistor method of failsafe biasing. I thought whis was obvious when I said in my original post:

Chris said:
so my research indicates that I should use fail-safe biasing

I was always talking about the 3 resistor method of failsafe biasing, not any particular 485 driver IC "special feature".

None of these application notes mention what I was considering, which is driving the line in the SPACE condition only, so that is why I posted here.

The reason I wish to consider this technique is so that timing constraints are eased, and the MCU does not have to control the transmit enable line. Also, because this effectively forms an AND bus, I get defined results if two devices are trying to "transmit" simultaneously. This then allows a method of slave discovery/enumeration using a form of collision detection.


List of 34 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
RS485 Question            01/01/70 00:00      
   drive capacity            01/01/70 00:00      
      3 resistor termination            01/01/70 00:00      
         Only if you have power to burn            01/01/70 00:00      
            15 milliwatts. A lot of power?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Depends on your application            01/01/70 00:00      
                  how are you going to terminate at that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RS485 loops are hungry...            01/01/70 00:00      
      You will loose all the noise margin!            01/01/70 00:00      
         not if you use 3 resistor termination            01/01/70 00:00      
            Better, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
               works for me, what do you have that is b            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No disagree...look what weird is planned            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Kai, I did not think you did            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                           3 resistors or not            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Then is all fail-safe bad?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Can you see the difference?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Kai, you keep ignoring the fact that RS4            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I ignore nothing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          It's the best we have and it works when            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Yes, but it can fail from time to time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I have handled that with isolated RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   We do already            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      485-422            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I challenge you to find a RS422 driver            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            In the past.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 All fail safe is good and 0.25V is plent            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That is not RS485, that is J1708            01/01/70 00:00      
                              trick to get around pseudo non random            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 This won't really help.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Helpful            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I am doing that using the Dallas DS2401            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Yes that is what I am planning            01/01/70 00:00      

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