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11/16/05 13:14
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#103788 - That is not RS485, that is J1708
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I was always talking about the 3 resistor method of failsafe biasing, not any particular 485 driver IC "special feature".
how was I to know?

None of these application notes mention what I was considering, which is driving the line in the SPACE condition only, so that is why I posted here.
That is not RS485, that is J1708 which limits you to 9600 baud and is not the 485 collision avoidance, but collision detection. If you do not go "master permission" you WILL end up in collision detection reather than collision avoidance. I use both, J1708 because I have to, RS485 because I it is faster and better. A busy J1708 bus is handling so many collisions that it severely hampers throughput. As an example: a process that took 12 minutes using J1708 now is done in 20 seconds using RS485.

The code to handle J1708 is about 10 times the size of a RS485 master.

Erik

Ah, an ancedote:
The J1708 specify that after a collision you apply a random delay before attempting again, this way the 2 colliding units will not try again at the same time. Well 2 units both using the Keil rand() pseudorandom function (which give a fixed "random" sequence) were colliding for hours because they constantly tried at the same time.



List of 34 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
RS485 Question            01/01/70 00:00      
   drive capacity            01/01/70 00:00      
      3 resistor termination            01/01/70 00:00      
         Only if you have power to burn            01/01/70 00:00      
            15 milliwatts. A lot of power?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Depends on your application            01/01/70 00:00      
                  how are you going to terminate at that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RS485 loops are hungry...            01/01/70 00:00      
      You will loose all the noise margin!            01/01/70 00:00      
         not if you use 3 resistor termination            01/01/70 00:00      
            Better, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
               works for me, what do you have that is b            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No disagree...look what weird is planned            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Kai, I did not think you did            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                           3 resistors or not            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Then is all fail-safe bad?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Can you see the difference?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Kai, you keep ignoring the fact that RS4            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I ignore nothing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          It's the best we have and it works when            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Yes, but it can fail from time to time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I have handled that with isolated RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   We do already            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      485-422            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I challenge you to find a RS422 driver            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            In the past.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 All fail safe is good and 0.25V is plent            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That is not RS485, that is J1708            01/01/70 00:00      
                              trick to get around pseudo non random            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 This won't really help.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Helpful            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I am doing that using the Dallas DS2401            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Yes that is what I am planning            01/01/70 00:00      

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