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11/18/05 02:16
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 		 #103874 - RS485 loops are hungry...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Oliver said:
I'm currently developing a system which has a total power budget of 24mW, including a RS485 transceiver.

Assume 120 Ohm termination resistors at both ends of RS485 loop, which yields a total impedance of 60 Ohm, then 2V signal amplitude results in a signal current of 33mA and a power dissipation of 2V^2 / 60 Ohm = 67mW at the resistors! Voltage drop across internal driver transistors additionally consumes power...
Take care, during short circuit conditions much much higher currents can be drawn.

I have seen a few RS485 applications totally omitting the termination resistors at both ends, using slew rate limited RS485 drivers in combination with very short cables. But this cannot be recommended at all, because results are rather unpredictable...

Kai

List of 34 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
RS485 Question            01/01/70 00:00      
   drive capacity            01/01/70 00:00      
      3 resistor termination            01/01/70 00:00      
         Only if you have power to burn            01/01/70 00:00      
            15 milliwatts. A lot of power?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Depends on your application            01/01/70 00:00      
                  how are you going to terminate at that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RS485 loops are hungry...            01/01/70 00:00      
      You will loose all the noise margin!            01/01/70 00:00      
         not if you use 3 resistor termination            01/01/70 00:00      
            Better, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
               works for me, what do you have that is b            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No disagree...look what weird is planned            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Kai, I did not think you did            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                           3 resistors or not            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Then is all fail-safe bad?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Can you see the difference?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Kai, you keep ignoring the fact that RS4            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I ignore nothing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          It's the best we have and it works when            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Yes, but it can fail from time to time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I have handled that with isolated RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   We do already            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      485-422            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I challenge you to find a RS422 driver            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            In the past.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 All fail safe is good and 0.25V is plent            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That is not RS485, that is J1708            01/01/70 00:00      
                              trick to get around pseudo non random            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 This won't really help.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Helpful            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I am doing that using the Dallas DS2401            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Yes that is what I am planning            01/01/70 00:00      

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