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11/16/05 15:35
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#103803 - Yes, but it can fail from time to time
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik said:
It's the best we have and it works when you add CRC/checksum. I have done some statistics on 485 in very noisy environments and found that a 3 resistor 485 bus took about one hit per hour.

In a company where we started to provide outdoor sensors with RS485 loops, we had certain problems with the fail safe biasing methode from time to time, as we experienced relevant common mode interference at certain plants.
Because we couldn't improve the grounding management of every plant we had to deal with, we decided to make the RS485 loop more robust. Since this time we only use RS485 loops with drivers which are permanently turned-on. If we need handshaking, then we use a full-duplex RS485, again with drivers, which are permanently turned-on. The according RS485 loop does only address this single sensor. If more than one sensor is mounted, then we use individual RS485 loops.

It's interesting to note, that PROFIBUS, which also uses half-duplex RS485 being driven by many individual drivers, does not recommend the direct connection to outdoor sensors either. And this allthough they use a floating RS485 loop, which should be highly immune against common mode interference!
Happily, up to now we never needed this optical link for our applications, due to the use of drivers which are permanently turned-on, and of course due to a redundant signal protocol.

Kai

List of 34 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
RS485 Question            01/01/70 00:00      
   drive capacity            01/01/70 00:00      
      3 resistor termination            01/01/70 00:00      
         Only if you have power to burn            01/01/70 00:00      
            15 milliwatts. A lot of power?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Depends on your application            01/01/70 00:00      
                  how are you going to terminate at that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RS485 loops are hungry...            01/01/70 00:00      
      You will loose all the noise margin!            01/01/70 00:00      
         not if you use 3 resistor termination            01/01/70 00:00      
            Better, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
               works for me, what do you have that is b            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No disagree...look what weird is planned            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Kai, I did not think you did            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                           3 resistors or not            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Then is all fail-safe bad?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Can you see the difference?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Kai, you keep ignoring the fact that RS4            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I ignore nothing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          It's the best we have and it works when            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Yes, but it can fail from time to time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I have handled that with isolated RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   We do already            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      485-422            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I challenge you to find a RS422 driver            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            In the past.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 All fail safe is good and 0.25V is plent            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That is not RS485, that is J1708            01/01/70 00:00      
                              trick to get around pseudo non random            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 This won't really help.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Helpful            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I am doing that using the Dallas DS2401            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Yes that is what I am planning            01/01/70 00:00      

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