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12/21/06 13:04
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 		 #129892 - OK, expanded
Responding to: ???'s previous message
by that definition monitors would qualify to be ICEs - they run real time on real hardware, too
OK, the definition of an ICE expanded:
"runninbg real time on real hardware with the software to be released in the final product"

monitors .. indeed, some manufacturers of devtools like to call them ICEs (see e.g. http://www.8052.com/forum/read.phtml?id=128552 )
If you can call some piece of crap something valuable, some poor sod may be stupid enough to buy it.

The point that made me "define" ICE was your statement "even that's not REAL ICE as you don't have a trace available."

I do not consider trace a requirement for an ICE. When I have used ICEs with trace, I have 98.17% of the time found that the value of a trace was negative as you spend hours poring over the trace before you realize that you will not get any valuable information out of it. YES, there is the one rare case where a trace has value, but paying thousands of dollars more to get an ICE with trace is a bad ROI.

Erik

List of 48 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
C-compiler prices?            01/01/70 00:00      
   from $0 to $5000            01/01/70 00:00      
   ?from 100 to 300 "portable" ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      meaning what            01/01/70 00:00      
         "portable"            01/01/70 00:00      
            that is \"C\"            01/01/70 00:00      
            Portability - it's all down to you!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Are You sure?I'm not. Regards            01/01/70 00:00      
      sure of WHAT!            01/01/70 00:00      
   example            01/01/70 00:00      
      i would keep Franklin away with a 10 foot pole            01/01/70 00:00      
      What about www.dunfield.com $99 MicroC ?            01/01/70 00:00      
         What does it give you that SDCC doesn't?            01/01/70 00:00      
            I don't think Dave has had an upgrade            01/01/70 00:00      
               no upgrades might mean it is perfect... :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I somehow doubt that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Richard, Dave's CFLEA is very interesting            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Useful?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           usefull CFLEA vs            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I'd find it useful if it were Compact Flash ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        for WHAT            01/01/70 00:00      
                           interesting vs useful            01/01/70 00:00      
                              There is so much useful stuff that is interesting            01/01/70 00:00      
         OUCH            01/01/70 00:00      
            No?            01/01/70 00:00      
               $99            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What DDS gives you            01/01/70 00:00      
                     SDCC debugger            01/01/70 00:00      
                        i do not know about the Versa ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           even that's not REAL ICE...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              trace not a definition of ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 by thet definition...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    OK, expanded            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I don't care how it is called...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          do not agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             you do agree but yoku don't now about it :-)))            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                an attempt at a definition of an ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   there's a "gotcha"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      of course not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Monitor Types are more limited            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Once upon a time ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             that is blatantly false            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                just a minute, there, Pilgrim ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   yes it is, but it is not running a monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I don't know what it's running ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Wickenhauser Elektrotechnik $99            01/01/70 00:00      
      well, amazinly enough you get what you pay for ..            01/01/70 00:00      
         TCP/IP stack            01/01/70 00:00      

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