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02/22/07 22:59
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#133522 - I agree with Erik ... at least somewhat
Responding to: ???'s previous message
The decay isn't as effective as you might first think, and Erik's comment is probably correct for most cases. It's conceivable that one could carefully tune the cap value and mux rate to work together. Adding a moving display to the formula complicates it considerably, but may be possible. The protion of all cases, in which it will work satisfactorily, is reduced considerably, however. It's all in the timing.

There's another thing about retinal persistence (fatigue) that works against you in this case, too. At first, with maximal current flow, the LED is at peak brightness. As the cap charges, the current flowing into it is reduced. That reduces the brightness as one approaches the "fully charged" state. Ideally, the LED will still be conducting slightly when the next cycle begins, so as to eliminate the turn-on delay of the LED. Unfortunately, the peak charge rate is at the wrong end of the curve, so the brightness decrease coincides with the maximal recovery of the retina. There may be a way to reverse this effect, but I haven't skulled it out.

There's no single-bit memory concept involved, BTW, in what I proposed. It's just a slow, and ~logarithmically decreasing current sink. You discharge it (or not, if it wasn't a '1') quickly through a series resistor to the NPN and to GND, and charge the cap through its series resistor via the cathode of the LED. That resistor is connected at the LED's cathode, of course.

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TopicAuthorDate
Components for Outdoor LED Display            01/01/70 00:00      
   What are the specs?            01/01/70 00:00      
   you are already scewed            01/01/70 00:00      
      any better suggestions?            01/01/70 00:00      
         are your LEDs capable of 200mA ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Human eye perception            01/01/70 00:00      
               percieved does not matter            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Perception is everything            01/01/70 00:00      
               LEDs are extremely nonlinear, too!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I covered this            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I wrote -extremely non-linear-...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     that makes no sense            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Example with LTJ-811            01/01/70 00:00      
                           let the sunshine in            01/01/70 00:00      
                              LEDs appear the same in all conditions            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Err            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    actually we have one multiplexed, however            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    King of LEDS :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 mux vs. pulsed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    better ask ERIK ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       well, this is not so 'new'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       more bright than outdoor....            01/01/70 00:00      
   why I want to multiplex            01/01/70 00:00      
      assumption?            01/01/70 00:00      
         the way multiplexing works            01/01/70 00:00      
            what is required?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Requirements are what you should analyze            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Backwards?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     low-side cap, low-side NPN            01/01/70 00:00      
                        One-bit memory == DC filter ???            01/01/70 00:00      
                           slow decay            01/01/70 00:00      
                              you can have NONE            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 are you sure?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    yes, I am, yes I have            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I agree with Erik ... at least somewhat            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I am still CURIOUS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       it's like a camera flash            01/01/70 00:00      
      already answered http://www.8052.com/forum/read.ph            01/01/70 00:00      
         Averages            01/01/70 00:00      
   does the A6278 LED driver multiplex too?            01/01/70 00:00      
      if you want to make a nonmultiplexed display...            01/01/70 00:00      
         that clears up a lot            01/01/70 00:00      
            sorry            01/01/70 00:00      

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