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04/18/08 11:45
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#153674 - Yes counterfeiting is illegal but.....
Responding to: ???'s previous message
It sells.

See, there is a demand for goods and if it is not available as genuine items, the sellers will somehow manage to sell you something you need.

An example. Some years ago, a client of mine ordered Punsumi brand capacitors 'value 1000uF/16V' He got cute looking capacitors which were faithfully installed into his consumer product and sold. After a few months, we noticed lots of these products coming back faulty. Reason - blown capacitor. Cause - manipulated rating. 6V capacitors were reprinted to read 16V. So, they kept blowing.

You find the same thing happening even today and there is no easy recourse to these problems except that you buy through a reliable source who can guarantee his material comes from an importer of goods etc,. and will exchange or take back defective ones.

As for the charges - Mouser and Digikey charge you and me the same. However the shipping part is what prevents us from buying direct from them. Shipping via Post is cheaper at $15, but most online sellers ship via Fedex or USPS which are expensive. Then the Indian customs duties add to the burden. So, for a $1 item, we end up paying at least $100. I agree there is a business opportunity if many small orders are consolidated and shipped in one lot. But thats where people like RS components comes in. They charge almost n times the cost for an item and deliver!!

Now, I use direct online purchases where possible or maybe buy from the local distributor where possible. Even so, the conversion rate applicable to us is 65INR to a USD whereas the exchange rate is 40INR to a USD.

Now you know why many folks resort to using readily available parts like ATMEL in our part of the world. Many of my designs are built on the ATMEL controllers

Jerson

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TopicAuthorDate
Caution notice to Indian Buyers of Atmel Devices            01/01/70 00:00      
   Problem with Atmel            01/01/70 00:00      
      You're better off on eBay!            01/01/70 00:00      
      I don't think that's the problem?            01/01/70 00:00      
         You are right , with online I mean provisions            01/01/70 00:00      
            No problems here...            01/01/70 00:00      
               No problems here...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Oh, I see.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Farnell /Rs components are OK for            01/01/70 00:00      
                        caution notice --            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Happy to see you clarify            01/01/70 00:00      
                           no info from Vimal            01/01/70 00:00      
   And their website is infected too!            01/01/70 00:00      
      trojan            01/01/70 00:00      
         Maybe you were infected.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Let me see            01/01/70 00:00      
               Trojan Details            01/01/70 00:00      
                  protect yourself... don't buy crapware even if it is free            01/01/70 00:00      
                     And I say, I'm happy with it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        M$IE, Atmel, or both? ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Atmel's micros            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Maybe, but it's a separate problem ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Image zoom with IE            01/01/70 00:00      
                        get FF3            01/01/70 00:00      
                           the latest is FF v2.0.0.13            01/01/70 00:00      
                              try google "firefox 3"            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I noticed it in FireFox but no in IE ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   it seems to be quite a penalty            01/01/70 00:00      
      Two sides to this story...?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not clear            01/01/70 00:00      
            It\'s an ATMEL problem ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               just imagine            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that's not universally true            01/01/70 00:00      
                  "delete" why? that can be fun for many beginers            01/01/70 00:00      
                     e.g.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Oh I see            01/01/70 00:00      
      I don't use            01/01/70 00:00      
         Why not? It works VERY well!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Trust            01/01/70 00:00      
               I doubt I would like that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Call me paranoid            01/01/70 00:00      
   Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
      Clarification 2            01/01/70 00:00      
         Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
            This still doesn\'t wash ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Ok, specifics            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It is up to you and your colleagues            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Let us Start it            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I'm not sure you'll get a lot of agreement            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Very relevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Yes, the times are a-changing, but it's up to you!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why pay so much?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Grey Market Distribution            01/01/70 00:00      
         Let me try            01/01/70 00:00      
            25-30 years ago it meant something else            01/01/70 00:00      
               Grey            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes counterfeiting is illegal but.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why not ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Postage from US to India            01/01/70 00:00      

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