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06/30/06 16:26
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#119448 - Hard and soft grounding
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik said:
... is one of the issues where you will NEVER get a consensus.

Yeah, that's an endless story...

But it seems, that the connecting of shield at only one end is from the old days. Seems, that connecting it at both ends to chassis ground (protection earth) tends to prevail.

By the way, due to the fact that RS485 routing uses symmterical signaling the shield is nearly free of signal return currents. It behaves totally different compared to a coax cable, where the cable shield carries all the signal return current and must always be connected to signal ground.

So, for the RS485 there's no need to connect the cable shield to signal ground for all the signal frequencies. This means, that the shield can be connected to chassis ground while the signal ground is floating (at both ends, if you want). Connecting the signal ground at both ends via a cap of 10...100nF would allow the shield being connected for the highest harmonics of signals to allow them to use the shield as signal return to handle the imperfections of cable, means finite symmetry.

So, the cable shield can be hard grounded (connected to safety ground, chassis) and the signal ground can be soft grounded. As it can be seen with PROFIBUS applications.

Kai

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TopicAuthorDate
rs485 connection with 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   RS 485            01/01/70 00:00      
      I have recommended the above appnote for            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            cable shield connection ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               is it P.G. Woodhouse?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Hard and soft grounding            01/01/70 00:00      
                  grounding differential signals            01/01/70 00:00      
                     for such Maxim has 'the cure'            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Also AD & Linear Tech            01/01/70 00:00      
                     PEC            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RS485 using 2 wires only            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Using two wires only            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Thanks Russell Bull            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Shielding            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    CAT5E - UTP and RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Cat5E & RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          to shield or not to shiels, that is the            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             common mode voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                comments to common            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Even without any tolerance            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you are right - need anothe cuppa            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I never tried...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         What threshold voltage do you use?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Transmitting signal ground and +5V            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Thanks Russel, Erik and Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             re 485 cabling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Slew rate controlled drivers prefered            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I agree but do not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Of course, this is no excuse for fumblin            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   slew rate controlled - low speed ??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      there is a graph in one of the 485 appno            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      250kbps?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                links to juicy B&B 485 stuff            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                re 485 cabling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   you found a better link than the one I            01/01/70 00:00      

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