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06/30/06 17:36
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#119466 - grounding differential signals
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Kai Klaas said:
But it seems, that the connecting of shield at only one end is from the old days. Seems, that connecting it at both ends to chassis ground (protection earth) tends to prevail.

So, the cable shield can be hard grounded (connected to safety ground, chassis) and the signal ground can be soft grounded. As it can be seen with PROFIBUS applications.


Exactly. In a balanced system, the shield is only the shield, and not a signal conductor. This means that the shield is simply an extension of the enclosure. A balanced system (especially digital, like RS485) can deal with shield current due to ground differences because noise from the shield current is common mode (with proper wiring) and as such is cancelled by the receiver. (Ground currents in the shields are typically at mains frequency or a multiple so they're easily cancelled by the receiver.) Also, proper wiring means that shield noise is drained directly into the chassis and NOT into the circuit ground.

Now, if the ground differences between the driver and receiver are so great that you have "Excessive" shield current, then you're probably going to exceed the receiver's input voltage range anyways.

-a

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rs485 connection with 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   RS 485            01/01/70 00:00      
      I have recommended the above appnote for            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            cable shield connection ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               is it P.G. Woodhouse?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Hard and soft grounding            01/01/70 00:00      
                  grounding differential signals            01/01/70 00:00      
                     for such Maxim has 'the cure'            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Also AD & Linear Tech            01/01/70 00:00      
                     PEC            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RS485 using 2 wires only            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Using two wires only            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Thanks Russell Bull            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Shielding            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    CAT5E - UTP and RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Cat5E & RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          to shield or not to shiels, that is the            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             common mode voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                comments to common            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Even without any tolerance            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you are right - need anothe cuppa            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I never tried...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         What threshold voltage do you use?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Transmitting signal ground and +5V            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Thanks Russel, Erik and Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             re 485 cabling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Slew rate controlled drivers prefered            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I agree but do not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Of course, this is no excuse for fumblin            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   slew rate controlled - low speed ??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      there is a graph in one of the 485 appno            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      250kbps?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                links to juicy B&B 485 stuff            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                re 485 cabling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   you found a better link than the one I            01/01/70 00:00      

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