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07/06/06 07:13
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#119719 - common mode voltage
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Erik Malund said:
1) common mode limitations: there is no way of predicting how a 485 transciever will behave if a noise spike exceed the common mode limit.[...]
The reason I use shielded twisted wire is #1 above, even with isolated transcievers there is a common mode limit.

We always use a pair of (bipolar) transils to protect the transceiver from overvoltage. However, this is a protection, overvoltage still causes malfunction (but not damage).

Even with isolated transceivers there is a need to establish a common reference (gnd). With isolated transceivers, I see no reason* why not using an extra conductor - whether it is the shield or an extra wire. There are 8 wires in the common UTP/FTP/STP cable (and, thanks to its usage and mass production, it is sometimes surprisingly cheaper than the comparable cables with less conductors of the same diameter, twist etc.); so after having spent one pair for RS485 (or two pairs for RS422), still there are 4 or 6 left...

Jan Waclawek

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* the usual disclaimer: me stupid enough, so there might be reasons...

List of 38 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
rs485 connection with 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   RS 485            01/01/70 00:00      
      I have recommended the above appnote for            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            cable shield connection ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               is it P.G. Woodhouse?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Hard and soft grounding            01/01/70 00:00      
                  grounding differential signals            01/01/70 00:00      
                     for such Maxim has 'the cure'            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Also AD & Linear Tech            01/01/70 00:00      
                     PEC            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RS485 using 2 wires only            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Using two wires only            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Thanks Russell Bull            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Shielding            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    CAT5E - UTP and RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Cat5E & RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          to shield or not to shiels, that is the            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             common mode voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                comments to common            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Even without any tolerance            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you are right - need anothe cuppa            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I never tried...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         What threshold voltage do you use?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Transmitting signal ground and +5V            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Thanks Russel, Erik and Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             re 485 cabling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Slew rate controlled drivers prefered            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I agree but do not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Of course, this is no excuse for fumblin            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   slew rate controlled - low speed ??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      there is a graph in one of the 485 appno            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      250kbps?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                links to juicy B&B 485 stuff            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                re 485 cabling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   you found a better link than the one I            01/01/70 00:00      

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