Email: Password: Remember Me | Create Account (Free)

Back to Subject List

Old thread has been locked -- no new posts accepted in this thread
???
07/06/06 13:44
Read: times


 
#119735 - Transmitting signal ground and +5V
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Jan said:
We always use a pair of (bipolar) transils to protect the transceiver from overvoltage. However, this is a protection, overvoltage still causes malfunction (but not damage).

If you use an overvoltage protected transciever like LT1785 (up to +-60V), then you can use transzorbs with rather high turn-on voltage, let's say 36V. This will have the additional benefit, that the parasitic junction capacitance of transzorbs are becoming so small, that signal transmission isn't badly influenced.

Also, use a slew rate limited RS485 driver to furtherly limit the current flowing through the transzorbs when charging the junction capacitance. Remember I = C x dU/dt.


Jan said:
Even with isolated transceivers there is a need to establish a common reference (gnd).

Of course! I do always route not only the signal ground, but also the 5V supply voltage (at least up to the plug), to provide both, minimal common mode noise and the ability to power some extra circuitry, like RS485 to RS232 converter or one side of an isolated RS485 transciever.

Please do always use twisted pairs for the symmetrical RS485 signal and the 5V supply. And do never use the shield to transmit signal ground!

Kai

List of 38 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
rs485 connection with 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   RS 485            01/01/70 00:00      
      I have recommended the above appnote for            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            cable shield connection ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               is it P.G. Woodhouse?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Hard and soft grounding            01/01/70 00:00      
                  grounding differential signals            01/01/70 00:00      
                     for such Maxim has 'the cure'            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Also AD & Linear Tech            01/01/70 00:00      
                     PEC            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RS485 using 2 wires only            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Using two wires only            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Thanks Russell Bull            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Shielding            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    CAT5E - UTP and RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Cat5E & RS485            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          to shield or not to shiels, that is the            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             common mode voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                comments to common            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Even without any tolerance            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you are right - need anothe cuppa            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I never tried...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         What threshold voltage do you use?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Transmitting signal ground and +5V            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Thanks Russel, Erik and Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             re 485 cabling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Slew rate controlled drivers prefered            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I agree but do not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Of course, this is no excuse for fumblin            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   slew rate controlled - low speed ??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      there is a graph in one of the 485 appno            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      250kbps?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                links to juicy B&B 485 stuff            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                re 485 cabling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   you found a better link than the one I            01/01/70 00:00      

Back to Subject List