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09/27/06 07:41
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 		 #125137 - experience...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard Erlacher said:
How, exactly, did you arrive at this notion?


Do you want to hear the stories? I've got quite a few of them... Come over here, we'll sit over a couple of beers... :-)

No, it's not ATMEL's speciality to have troubles; however, it seems so because they implemented early FLASH in '51s, plus they are obviously quite reluctant to include an integrated reset circuit... With "standard" microcontrollers and improper reset it "just" might behave strangely; but if you store the code in FLASH and the "strange behaviour" sometimes ends with FLASH corruption, all bets are off...

There are three points:
- function of RC reset depends on the power supply
- there are other functions of reset than just initialize at powerup (e.g. prevent working during powerdown)
- it depends on the application, whether the previous two items do matter or not

JW


List of 49 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Need Help: Problem with ISP on P89C51RC2HBA            01/01/70 00:00      
   application?            01/01/70 00:00      
      only if he misspelled            01/01/70 00:00      
         my bad            01/01/70 00:00      
            Still            01/01/70 00:00      
      application?            01/01/70 00:00      
         FIRST, second and third            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm afraid...            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's in the errata            01/01/70 00:00      
               it's a stupid practice...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  not from their perspective            01/01/70 00:00      
                     we discussed this already many times            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Why not make them OTP's, then?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        they are if you follow the instructions            01/01/70 00:00      
                           compromise            01/01/70 00:00      
                              just exactly HOW do you "push" on the mfg?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 push on the mfg            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    only works when you spend MONEY            01/01/70 00:00      
                     An Old chip will known Devil ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               bootvector lost already            01/01/70 00:00      
                  there IS code in the chip            01/01/70 00:00      
                     how do you mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Rx+            01/01/70 00:00      
               I found an errata            01/01/70 00:00      
            I'm afraid...            01/01/70 00:00      
               drop me an e-mail via my profile            01/01/70 00:00      
            I'm afraid...            01/01/70 00:00      
   first, second third            01/01/70 00:00      
      Must be an Atmel's micro...            01/01/70 00:00      
         naah, that is NOT the issue            01/01/70 00:00      
      first, second third            01/01/70 00:00      
      first, second third: second            01/01/70 00:00      
         boot vector lost            01/01/70 00:00      
   Try this            01/01/70 00:00      
      Try this            01/01/70 00:00      
         FM            01/01/70 00:00      
            FM            01/01/70 00:00      
               FM can not restore a lost bootvector            01/01/70 00:00      
               it's too late            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it's too late            01/01/70 00:00      
                     do not            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Oh...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           no chip 'requires' reset IC but ALL flash based ..            01/01/70 00:00      
                           the trouble with RC resets...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              How, exactly, did you arrive at this notion?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 experience...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 the reason            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Go for the "V"!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           while these are valid concerns            01/01/70 00:00      

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